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The Dark Knight: News, Reviews, your Views. "SPOILERS" welcome!
BelAir:
--- Quote from: Snork on July 25, 2008, 03:55:26 pm ---Oh yes, THAT scene, sorry, I should probably READ things thoroughly before replying. I should know better.
*scurries back into her corner*
But the Joker doesn't die in your version does he?
Your version. LOL. We have a Dutch version in which you can see him smoke pot.
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"My" version definitely did not have pot smoking. When did it happen in 'your' version?
:P
That's actually pretty annoying. (to have different versions)
Brown Eyes:
I just came back from watching TDK again. The theater was packed again, this the second weekend of its release. I still thoroughly enjoyed the film and I find the Joker absolutely mesmerizing. As with many comic book films, the villains seem to be the more interesting characters in their extreme quirkiness and fiendishness. And, I can imagine that as an actor, the Joker really would be more fun to play than Batman.
This time I feel like I was noticing more mannerisms in the portrayal of the Joker that may have been (probably were) subtle homages to Jack Nicholson (not necessarily specifically to Nicholson's Joker, but to some of the qualities of Nicholson's voice and certain mannerisms). This, to me seems appropriate, given Nicholson's history with the Batman films and because, I feel like I've read somewhere, that Heath deeply admired Nicholson as an actor.
And, this time I was focused more on the fascinating dynamics between the Joker and Batman... Specifically the idea that the Joker had no intention of killing Batman. And that the wry statement of the Joker's to Batman - "you complete me" - is probably very true... that they each need a nemisis to have a purpose (or something like that). Or, that they represent an eternal struggle between good and evil. Furthermore, it seems like the Joker much prefers to toy with Batman and torment him.
This idea of an ongoing struggle between the Joker and Batman seems to be set up pretty clearly during the Joker's last scene while he's dangling off the side of the building. He says "I get the feeling you and I are destined to do this forever!" Which to me implies that the Joker could easily come back.
On another totally different note... This time, since I'd already seen the film once, I could spend more time focusing on backgrounds and details, etc. And, I noticed several very familiar buildings in Chicago! In at least two different prominent shots I saw a large office building that my Dad used to work in a long time ago when I was a little girl! And, right after leaving the theater I called my Dad to tell him about that, and he said that he actually saw some of the Batman filming sets and specifically lots of Gotham City police cars back when the film was shooting in Chicago. I hadn't known that until today! I'd never yet spoken to my Dad in depth about Batman until this afternoon.
David In Indy:
This is OT. Well, sort of. But I was just wondering who the Dark Knight is. Is the name in reference to Batman, or to the Joker? The word "dark" sounds a bit sinister so this makes me skeptical they would use it to describe Batman. Or does the name reference another character? Who is the Dark Knight?
I'll admit I'm not much of a Batman fan. I didn't even watch the series on TV when I was little back in the 1960's. But some friends of mine have managed to talk me into PROBABLY seeing it next weekend. That is, if they go with me to see Momma Mia! lol So I'm curious as to who the Dark Knight is. :)
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: DavidInIndy on July 27, 2008, 06:47:13 pm ---This is OT. Well, sort of. But I was just wondering who the Dark Knight is. Is the name in reference to Batman, or to the Joker? The word "dark" sounds a bit sinister so this makes me skeptical they would use it to describe Batman. Or does the name reference another character? Who is the Dark Knight?
I'll admit I'm not much of a Batman fan. I didn't even watch the series on TV when I was little back in the 1960's. But some friends of mine have managed to talk me into PROBABLY seeing it next weekend. That is, if they go with me to see Momma Mia! lol So I'm curious as to who the Dark Knight is. :)
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The Dark Knight is definitely Batman. The thing about Batman is that he is a somewhat shady, very ambiguous character... he's a hero but everyone is always suspicious of him and in this film and often, he's seen as an outlaw vigilante. He's not as squeeky clean or as straightforward a superhero as, say, Superman is. The questionable things Batman occasionally finds himself doing in order to save people is often at the heart of some of the existential angst that occurs within a lot of Batman plots. People in Gotham city often really dislike Batman... and this is the case through much of this film. Throughout the film the police are trying to arrest Batman just as much as they are trying to apprehend the Joker.
The potential for negative things to be lurking within Batman's character/personality/actions is what the Joker is trying to tease out through much of the film. He's not trying to kill Batman, he's trying to prove that Batman is capable of occasionally also being a bad guy.
And this really is a Spoiler***
The phrase "the dark knight"... is in the last line in the movie, definitely in reference to Batman.
LOL. We should have a Batman 101 thread. I have lots of questions about how Batman works too. When I called my Dad I asked him if he knows whether or not Batman actually has any super powers or magic powers. To me it seems like he only has really fancy gadgets. My Dad read a lot of the comic books when he was a kid, particularly Superman. But, he said he really didn't know about Batman's powers specifically. To me it looks like whenever Batman does something special... it's really a result of a fancy function of his suit or his car, etc.
David In Indy:
WOW!! Thanks Amanda for taking the time to explain it to me. I appreciate it! :)
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