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The Dark Knight: News, Reviews, your Views. "SPOILERS" welcome!
Gabreya:
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Oh no, you suffered from a computer virus too? I had one last week as well, and I had to renew EVERYTHING on it. It was pitiful. Well, we're glad you are up and running again, and I'm happy you enjoyed the TDK movie! :)
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Yeah. It's hectic on renewing every thing on your computer's memory and software. Viruses are HORRIBLE!
And yes, TDK was great. I'm thinking about going back to see it again. You know what's wierd, when I first seen it last week, I took a hand full of tissue paper just in case I cry. Because my mom told me to go see it for Heath's sake and I was a bit reluctant. And so, I went and yes I enjoyed it very much. I'm not gonna lie;Heath stole the show. He was great in every scene he was in.
This may seem wierd but I actually could not hate his Joker at all. I mean, you know how people despise villains because they're evil and cold hearted? Well, the Joker in this movie was. He was frightening, scary, disturbing, and insane. BUT, he seemed very likeable and sympathetic, too. Plus, he's charming. And it's not just because of Heath but it's like the character he made him out to be. The Joker is a sadistic, pyschotic maniac but he's like a lonely, beat up creature. Tell me something. Is it wrong that I feel sorry for a crazed, murderous clown?
BelAir:
--- Quote from: atz75 on July 27, 2008, 06:34:45 pm ---I just came back from watching TDK again. The theater was packed again, this the second weekend of its release. I still thoroughly enjoyed the film and I find the Joker absolutely mesmerizing. As with many comic book films, the villains seem to be the more interesting characters in their extreme quirkiness and fiendishness. And, I can imagine that as an actor, the Joker really would be more fun to play than Batman.
This time I feel like I was noticing more mannerisms in the portrayal of the Joker that may have been (probably were) subtle homages to Jack Nicholson (not necessarily specifically to Nicholson's Joker, but to some of the qualities of Nicholson's voice and certain mannerisms). This, to me seems appropriate, given Nicholson's history with the Batman films and because, I feel like I've read somewhere, that Heath deeply admired Nicholson as an actor.
And, this time I was focused more on the fascinating dynamics between the Joker and Batman... Specifically the idea that the Joker had no intention of killing Batman. And that the wry statement of the Joker's to Batman - "you complete me" - is probably very true... that they each need a nemisis to have a purpose (or something like that). Or, that they represent an eternal struggle between good and evil. Furthermore, it seems like the Joker much prefers to toy with Batman and torment him.
This idea of an ongoing struggle between the Joker and Batman seems to be set up pretty clearly during the Joker's last scene while he's dangling off the side of the building. He says "I get the feeling you and I are destined to do this forever!" Which to me implies that the Joker could easily come back.
On another totally different note... This time, since I'd already seen the film once, I could spend more time focusing on backgrounds and details, etc. And, I noticed several very familiar buildings in Chicago! In at least two different prominent shots I saw a large office building that my Dad used to work in a long time ago when I was a little girl! And, right after leaving the theater I called my Dad to tell him about that, and he said that he actually saw some of the Batman filming sets and specifically lots of Gotham City police cars back when the film was shooting in Chicago. I hadn't known that until today! I'd never yet spoken to my Dad in depth about Batman until this afternoon.
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I had that same feeling during that scene - and how great it would be to watch the Joker and Batman spar again and again. But of course it can never happen again... I'm currently of the feeling that I don't want the Joker to come back, ever. Not without Heath. Maybe when I'm old and gray I'll feel differently...
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MaineWriter:
Here's a little Batman 101. There's lots more, including the "Is Batman gay?" discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman
Batman (originally referred to as the Bat-Man and still referred to at times as the Batman) is a fictional comic book superhero co-created by artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger (although only Kane receives official credit) and published by DC Comics. The character first appeared in Detective Comics #27 (May 1939).[1] Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne, a multi-billionaire industrialist, playboy, and philanthropist. Witnessing the murder of his parents as a child leads him to train himself to physical and intellectual perfection and don a bat-themed costume in order to fight crime. Batman operates in the fictional Gotham City, assisted by various supporting characters including his sidekick Robin and his butler Alfred Pennyworth, and fights an assortment of villains influenced by the characters' roots in film and pulp magazines. Unlike most superheroes, he does not possess any superpowers; he makes use of intellect, detective skills, science and technology, wealth, physical prowess, and torture in his war on crime.
Batman became a popular character soon after his introduction, and eventually gained his own title, Batman. As the decades wore on, differing takes on the character emerged. The late 1960s Batman television series utilized a camp aesthetic associated with the character for years after the show ended. Various creators worked to return the character to his dark roots, culminating in the 1986 miniseries Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, by writer-artist Frank Miller. The successes of director Tim Burton's 1989 Batman motion picture and Christopher Nolan's films Batman Begins and The Dark Knight also helped to reignite popular interest in the character. A cultural icon, Batman has been licensed and adapted into a variety of media, from radio to television and film, and appears on a variety of merchandise sold all over the world.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: BelAir on July 28, 2008, 08:49:41 am ---I had that same feeling during that scene - and how great it would be to watch the Joker and Batman spar again and again. But of course it can never happen again... I'm currently of the feeling that I don't want the Joker to come back, ever. Not without Heath. Maybe when I'm old and gray I'll feel differently...
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Well, when I watched the movie again yesterday, as I posted above, I really noticed one of the Joker's last lines as he's hanging off the side of the building is - "I get the feeling you and I are destined to do this forever!" If you google this line you'll find lots of references to TDK and the specific context too.
It feels like they were setting up the very clear possibility of another Joker sequel with that line (and the fact that we don't see the Joker die or even get arrested... and we know getting arrested is no big deal for the Joker anyway).
Given the grim and tragic circumstances with Heath, I don't know that Batman movie franchise people will want to make another Joker movie again anytime soon. But, at the same time, as fantastic as Heath was in this role... so many actors, writers and illustrators have dealt with the character of the Joker over the history of Batman as a movie, TV show and comic book that I could easily see another actor taking on that role in the future.
Ellemeno:
I went to K Mart yesterday (a large chain that sells everything from toys to clothes to shampoo), and the plastic bag the cashier put my stuff in had Batman/Dark Knight imagery on it.
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