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The Dark Knight: News, Reviews, your Views. "SPOILERS" welcome!
ednbarby:
Batman will not break his code. Ever.
The Joker is alive. Don't know now if they'll include him in a sequel or not. Kinda hope not. Kinda hope they allude to him but have Batman take on someone else next time around.
I also think Two Face is still alive. We don't know for sure that he has died - it could all be a hoax, purposely making him a martyr and Batman the villain. In "later" Batmans (if you consider these the prequels to the shitty ones of the 80s and 90s), both The Joker and Two Face are very much alive and a part of things.
If you know the Batman mythology, really, if the Joker dies, Batman dies, because they are (and I'm not being facetious, here) two halves of the same whole. They represent the Duality of Man - how good and evil exist in all of us and battle each other continually in most of us. Remember, in the movie, The Joker says something like "I'm not gonna kill you. I NEED you."
I know many here think this movie was just fluff, but I seriously found it quite deep.
tamarack:
Are you sure he was just holding the Joker up there by standing on the wire?
MaineWriter:
--- Quote from: tamarack on July 20, 2008, 10:43:09 am ---Are you sure he was just holding the Joker up there by standing on the wire?
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Well, I can't say with 100% certainty, but that's the way it looked to me.
southendmd:
"You complete me", while very funny, sums up their relationship.
I found the Joker's line "Hit me" to be very chilling. Batman had a few opportunities to off the Joker, but didn't. They do need each other.
I like the Joker's line when he's hanging off the building, something like, "I have a feeling we'll be doing this forever."
Faked deaths are par for the course in these films. Never kill off a character, as you may want them in another film.
optom3:
--- Quote from: MaineWriter on July 20, 2008, 08:39:58 am ---Okay, so here's a question for all of you.
One of the many reviews I read said that the movie had "lots of loose ends" and that literally "one character was left hanging." That was the Joker, hanging on the batwire, and Batman's foot was the only thing keeping the Joker from falling many stories to his death. Apparently, it is part of Batman's code that he never intentionally kills a person--this is what my daughter tells me. I am not a bat-expert on the finer points of bat-lore.
So, my question:
1. Does Batman take his foot off the wire so that the Joker falls and dies? (If this happens, Batman has broken his code.) But they don't show it so we don't know whether Batman did or not?
2. Was it left hanging (literally) so that in the event of a sequel, the Joker could come back? I am wondering if that was the original plan but now, obviously, everything has changed?
3. Do you think, originally, more was supposed to be shown but because of Heath's death, they didn't actually want to show the Joker's death?
Thoughts?
L
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My husband thinks he was left there deliberately to allow the joker to return. He also (big batman fan in his youth) says that batman has a moral code that he cannot kill.
I hope they do not bring in some one else to play the joker.Maybe aother villain could supplant the joker if they make the 3rd movie.I am sure holywood can come up with some idea of how to circumnavigate the joker.
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