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The Dark Knight: News, Reviews, your Views. "SPOILERS" welcome!
LauraGigs:
--- Quote from: Meryl ---One great thing about the Joker's character was his courage. He put himself in the line of fire fearlessly, in fact reveled in it. If Batman killed him, he won, because he would have made him break his code. That was a huge turn-on for him.
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Yes, I think one reason the Joker is such an oddly fun character is that he's just having himself a blast, especially during the OK-Corral-like showdown with Batman on the street with the truck/motorbike/knife. He's quite excited by an opponent who can spar on his own level. (When he gets Batman to crash and injure himself by just standing there, he almost looks disappointed. And laughs his head off when his own henchman is shocked by Batman's helmet, another of Heath's great comic scenes!)
But yeah, one big parallel with Brokeback is that Heath’s character moves through the film not caring much about anyone, except one big-eyed boy . . .
Mikaela:
--- Quote from: Meryl on July 22, 2008, 11:58:19 am ---Haha! There really should be an awards category for these ho-hum pairings.
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LOL! Or a memory lane. We really owe them big time and shouldn't forget them - it's partly thanks to them that the contrast stands out and we realize at once what a gift we're getting when a couple at the opposite end of the chemistry and acting scale comes along. Jack and Ennis, in other words.
(Can't speak for Batman and the Joker, yet. ;) )
--- Quote ---Thanks, Paul. Maybe being a director has its drawbacks, too. I know how much organizing, pre-planning, budgeting, ordering and execution goes into just one prop list for a show. The Joker was managing the equivalent of at least a hundred shows, all opening in one week! :P
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Well, my previous boss had as his one big professional credo that nothing motivates customers or employees like stark, raw, immediate fear. So maybe that was the secret to the Joker's impressive organizational talents as well. He scared everything into just happening and falling into place. :D Or maybe he had 10 competent Jokerinas secretly doing all the organizing behind the scenes. I mean, the women in Gotham City must be somewhere, doing something, while the menfolk are out being superheros or arch-nemesises or struggling with the decision of whether to become one or the other. ;D
southendmd:
"Jokerinas"??
Mikaela, you crack me up!
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: southendmd on July 22, 2008, 04:25:07 pm ---"Jokerinas"??
Mikaela, you crack me up!
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My first thought was that I want to be a Jokerina. My second thought was, "I do??"
optom3:
--- Quote from: MaineWriter on July 22, 2008, 07:09:25 am ---Thanks Meryl for that very articulate commentary. You said it so well!
Like you said, it is all so implausible--which is what really drove home the comic book aspect of the movie to me. In fact, there were many scenes that felt like the frames from a comic book: close up of Batman; close up of Joker; big sweeping aerial shot. All that was missing was the dialog bubbles over their heads.
And talk about no chemistry between Rachel Dawes and Harvey Dent! LOL. Last time I saw that much erotic tension was watching Anakin Skywalker and Padme!
One little scene that I keep thinking back to: the Joker riding in a car, sticking is head out in the wind and whoo-wooing, just like a happy dog.
L
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I loved that scene as well.
One thing I could not understand was, why from time to time, I found myself feeling sorry for the Joker.Or was it Heath, I don't know.I could not bring myself to fully despise the joker, but that is not because the performance lacked anything, it didn't. There just seemed at some level to be an element of pathos.Or maybe I am just plain nuts !!
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