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If Heath get a posthumous Oscar, would that redeem the Academy?
SFEnnisSF:
Haven't read everybody's comments here yet, but my .02 cents FWTW..
They should have given it to him 3 years ago when he deserved it. The Academy blew it and there's no redemption for them! It exposed them (The Oscars) for what they really are... Funny how the ratings keep goin' lower and lower each year. :laugh: Nobody cares anymore. :laugh:
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: fernly on July 19, 2008, 10:28:31 pm ---Does anybody remember what Dustin Hoffman said? I think he came on stage at some point after (all or some of) the acting awards were announced, and looked down at Heath, Jake, and Michelle, and said something like, "Don't be sad...you're young...there'll be other chances..."
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--- Quote from: Elle on July 19, 2008, 11:10:29 pm ---Yes, I remember this. I don't remember the words he used, but that was the gist. It was lovely, because he didn't say it to just anybody - he said it to the people he thought ought to have won, and he said it on an enormous telecast, from the heart.
If only he had been right about there being enough time...
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This is news to me, I've never heard about it yet. I've always liked Dustin Hoffman very much, but he just went up a notch or two in my appreciation :).
Like Elle, I think if only....
Mikaela:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on July 19, 2008, 10:55:43 pm ---Here's my bet, and I'm taking it to the bank: He'll get a posthumous nomination. But he will not win.
And I will not be watching, in any event.
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If it were closer to the time for nominations, I would completely agree with your bet. But nominations being half a year away...? Half a year is a long time in this industry... so I'm not sure that the Joker performance won't just be "taken for granted" by then, hence the immediacy of the impact of the performance's quality may have paled and lost its punch already - once the media and industry fuss long since has moved on to something entirely else. So I don't feel sure about the nomination. Based on that time factor, the general bias against this kind of movie, and the fact that the actor has passed away, I rather think they will end up not nominating in this instance - the better to be able to give nomination pats on the back to people they owe one and who are around to "collect the debt" or to repay the favour later with interest. ::)
There was a lengthy article about the Oscar chances in USAToday 2 days ago, - putting it into perspective.
Link is here; "Dark Joker looks to be an Oscar Wild card": http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-07-17-ledger-oscar_N.htm
How fast everyone forgets? Well, here's an example. Towards the end the above article it now says: "Nolan, too, says he had no reservations about Ledger, whom he hired after seeing the actor's disparate work in Brokeback Mountain (Ledger was nominated for best actor), Monster's Ball and Lords of Dogtown." But when it was first published and I first read it, the article said that Heath had earned a supporting actor nom for BBM. ::)
(Some Heathen must subsequently have notified them of the slip.... )
retropian:
Well, I saw TDK yesterday (Monday) at the noon showing at my local theater. Great time to go, the place was 3/4's empty so I got exactly the seat I wanted, and no one sitting next to me, Delightful. Any way, Heath more that deserves a nomination. Rarely can it be said "the hype is true", but he exceeds every imagined expectation.
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: sfericsf on July 20, 2008, 04:10:30 am ---Haven't read everybody's comments here yet, but my .02 cents FWTW..
They should have given it to him 3 years ago when he deserved it. The Academy blew it and there's no redemption for them! It exposed them (The Oscars) for what they really are... Funny how the ratings keep goin' lower and lower each year. :laugh: Nobody cares anymore. :laugh:
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I agree with this pov completely. The AA have, actually, a pretty long list of abuses when it comes to making the wrong choices for its so-called winners. Does anyone even mention the film Capote or Phillip S Hoffman anymore? Or Crash? They were less than flashes in the pan and will remain the undeserved spoilers for BBM's best film and best actor awards.
History cannot be changed or made right by scrambling to offer compensation later on. You can't unring a bell. Ledger's Dark Knight performance should stand on its own merits, as his role in BBM should have.
Many people are still in a rightful snit over the 2005 awards and I am among them. The academy has turned out to be no different than congress; a bunch of self engrandized losers with idiots at the helm who can be bought.
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