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The mysterious "I love you" and other nearly indiscernible moments
Front-Ranger:
Not to change the subject but...I was listening to the soundtrack this morning, and I heard Emmylou Harris singing in "A Love that Will Never Grow Old," "just lay back in my arms for one more night." It reminded me of Jack whispering, "Lay back" during TS2. In fact, that song has the words Jack would sing if he were another person, just as "He Was a Friend of Mine" has the words Ennis would sing if he were another person.
dly64:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on August 01, 2006, 11:11:35 am ---Not to change the subject but...I was listening to the soundtrack this morning, and I heard Emmylou Harris singing in "A Love that Will Never Grow Old," "just lay back in my arms for one more night." It reminded me of Jack whispering, "Lay back" during TS2. In fact, that song has the words Jack would sing if he were another person, just as "He Was a Friend of Mine" has the words Ennis would sing if he were another person.
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That's why I love that particular song! To me, it exemplifies everything Jack feels. Same with, “I Don’t Want to Say Goodbye.” Bernie Taupin knows how to write lyrics!!
Aussie Chris:
Ok, I respect the convictions of the people on this thread. I'm not trying to cast dispersions here, ruin anyone's fun, or ask people to see it my way. Clearly, people are hearing things with such clarity that they are incredulous at the thought of someone else not hearing it. I am happy to concede the possibility, but right now I am curious about the phenomenon itself?
First of all, the "Sorry / S'Alright" debate started almost immediately after we all saw the film for the first time. I remember not hearing it initially, then being told about it and checking it in the cinema the next time(s) to conclude that you may or may not hear it. I have now resolved this within myself and side on the "S'Alright" side, but I'm not locked into any one opinion on it. The point is, something can be heard and just about everyone does.
But this "I love you" and "F*ck me" stuff seems to have only happened over the last couple of days or weeks. How is this possible? Between us on this board, we must have seen BBM thousands of times? Something may be heard in these scenes, but for those who are strongly convinced that these words are there, doesn't it seem suspicious to you that you had to listen to the scenes over and over for nothing to become a maybe, then a probability, before finally a conviction was reached? How do you explain your own seemingly variable belief?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on August 01, 2006, 06:06:32 pm --- for those who are strongly convinced that these words are there, doesn't it seem suspicious to you that you had to listen to the scenes over and over for nothing to become a maybe, then a probability, before finally a conviction was reached? How do you explain your own seemingly variable belief?
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But that's not at all how it worked for me (see my post above). Without being too repetitive, I first heard about the "I love you" back on imdb, so we're talking sometime in February or March. I dismissed it as complete baloney. I didn't think about it again or see any discussion of it until I noticed it for myself, in the way I described above. So my belief wasn't variable, it went from absolute disbelief to pretty much full belief in the two seconds that I saw it onscreen (when I say "pretty much full belief," I'm acknowledging that it's possible to interpret those lip-movements and sounds as being something other than "I love you"-- sobs, perhaps -- and also that it took me a couple more viewings to make sure I wasn't completely imagining things). It's not a conclusion I reached after talking to people here, it's something I discovered for myself when least expecting it.
Immediately after noticing it, I started this thread, on June 6. Other people posted who had already noticed it. There have since been a couple of people who didn't see it at first but, after being told exactly when and where and how to look, watched the movie again and reported later that they did.
I'd compare it to the hand-holding. I never noticed it until someone pointed it out. Then I went back and watched TS1 again and saw it. Many other people have asked where and when to look for it (it's dark and subtle and near the edge of the screen), but once they do they see it, too.
Or, as I said in a post a while back, I'd compare it to the S-E-X in "The Lion King" movie. Sorry to repeat this story, but it was amazing and has relevance here. I read when it first came out in the '90s that Christian groups were protesting there's a point in the movie where you could see those letters spelled out in dust. I assumed that was ridiculous imaginations-run-wild stuff and forgot all about it. Ten years later, I had small children who owned the video. so I wound up watching it, conservatively estimating, 30 times (not always concentrating intently). One day, after maybe seeing it about 15 times already, I happened to glance at the screen and damn if it wasn't right there: S E X, spelled out in dust, for about half a second. And from then on it was clear as day, once I knew when and where to look.
That's why I say that, though I haven't heard the "fuck me" myself, I'm open to the possibility that it's there.
serious crayons:
OK, I got curious about just how many people believe one way or the other about some of these things. So I posted a poll about it. You can find it here:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=3633.0
I don't mean to discourage continued discussion on this thread, though. Maybe we can keep that thread to a straightforward "have you seen it or not" and we can continue discussion here about just how wild an imagination you have to have to believe they exist. :laugh:
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