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The mysterious "I love you" and other nearly indiscernible moments
nic:
This is interesting, if one believes he does say it on finding the shirts. Because to many, certainly to many casual viewers, the natural response to the line "Jack, I swear..." is "I love you" so if he said it earlier it takes away some of the importance from that final line. However, for many non-casual viewers (ie us!) the "I swear.." line has multiple meanings other than but also including "I love you".
I'm constantly surprised at how much importance those three magic words are ascribed in relation to the BBM discussion & their absence from the short story & novel. It is yet another mark of the skill of those involved that they didn't give in & have an obvious "I love you" put in, leaving it open for eternal discussion.
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: gattaca on June 06, 2006, 04:37:56 pm ---if Ennis really did say "I love you", would we feel differently towards Enins?
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As Katherine said so well, I'd feel just a tiny bit sadder for him (if that's possible). But Jack and I always knew he loved him, even if he didn't acknowledge it to himself. Jack wouldn't have stood it all for so long if he didn't.
wolf:
I see it, every time. Whether it's actually there or not, no one seems to know, but for me it's a definite maybe :P.
'discovering' those three words didn't change a thing either. Ennis was still Ennis. Just as mute as ever, perhaps more so given he was only able to utter the words when there was no one to hear them.
just for the record, I'm also firmly in the "I'm sorry" camp, so very possibly I'm a non-existent-line-imaginer ;D.
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Brown Eyes:
This movie just amazes me for the amount of ambiguous dialogue and lines lost amidst breathing and music, etc. My feelings for Ennis certainly don't change if he really did say it. It just serves to confirm what most of us believe about him and his feelings towards Jack. I have to say that I'm glad it's soooo imperceptible as to remain a subject of debate. It's almost like it's there if you want it to be there... or not... as the case may be. I think having it not be there adds a bit of weight to the "Jack I swear..." moment. I think we and Jack's ghost are locked in suspense at the end hoping and hoping to hear Ennis say "I love you." Well, if he's already said it to the shirts... at least Jack's ghost would have already heard it.
::) :'(
I'm still in the camp of hearing the "I'm sorry" out of Ennis during the second tent scene. I truly do hear it (I always heard it in the theatres and I hear it on my DVD too). But, I truly want to hear it... so maybe my judgment is skewed.
So, onto another bit of whispered or impreceptible dialogue... Actually, I'm just curious, before I bring it up for real... who here knows about the first tent scene controversy regarding something Jack may or may not have said? This is essentially a bit of dialogue that may (or may not) be lost amidst his moans...
JennyC:
--- Quote from: atz75 on June 06, 2006, 09:02:26 pm --- who here knows about the first tent scene controversy regarding something Jack may or may not have said? This is essentially a bit of dialogue that may (or may not) be lost amidst his moans...
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Which part? The "come on" part, that I don't hear (I start to think I have some hearing problems) but see it in the subtitle, or the part that, rumor had it, Jack said "Ennis"?
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