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Giancarlo:
--- Quote from: opinionista on July 12, 2006, 07:15:32 am ---Spaniards in general feel like you do. They think the national team is embarrassing. But this year they were playing better, compared to other years, and people were excited about it.
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Oh believe me I would like to, and say it if you must, I did have a vendetta against the French team because they defeated the Spanish like that. I was so mad that day. I hope that Spain improves further next year... they really should... they obviously have the talented players to do it (including Fernando Torres). I hope this cup was a learning experience for the team and they improve how they play in 2010.
isabelle:
--- Quote from: thierryhenrypie on July 12, 2006, 07:21:17 pm ---Materazzi's line that he's "ignorant" of what an Islamic terrorist is sounds like it was handed to him by a publicist. Not only do the most hateful things come out of the most ignorant people, but his very ownership of his ignorance negates that ignorance, you know what I mean? It's too sophisticated a notion for someone who claims to be unsophisticated.
Although I heard that both deny a terrorist comment.
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I totally see what you mean, and I agree. I don't mean to guess what Materazzi said, but anyone saying they don't know what an islamic terrorist is, is just ludicrous! It sounds like a 4-year-old giving a very lame excuse for whatever.
Zidane did not repeat the exact words, but said Materazzi insulted his mother and sister in very harsh words. Apparently all because when Materazzi was tugging at his shirt, Zidane said: "You can have my shirt at the end of the match if you like". Then the insult and the head butt in response. Zidane apologized on TV last night.
Giancarlo:
--- Quote from: isabelle on July 13, 2006, 03:24:49 am ---I totally see what you mean, and I agree. I don't mean to guess what Materazzi said, but anyone saying they don't know what an islamic terrorist is, is just ludicrous! It sounds like a 4-year-old giving a very lame excuse for whatever.
Zidane did not repreat the exact words, but said Materazzi insulted his mother and sister in very harsh words. Apparently all because when Materazzi was tugging at his shirt, Zidane said: "You can have my shirt at the end of the match if you like". Then the insult and the head butt in response. Zidane apologized on TV last night.
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Materazzi, an italian hero who appeared at the Rolling Stones concert in Milan after a tribute to the Azzurri at the end of the concert, denied saying anything about his family. And no, you don't know what Zidane said. Personally I don't think he said that. Stop relying on lip-reading because that is all we have.
I want the Best Player Award pulled from Zidane. The man is obviously quite immature and very unprofessional. He has a history of attacking members of an opposing team, like he did in Saudi Arabia in 1998.
Pipedream:
How fitting. Quite a few people have decided to leave BetterMost for good only shortly after our very own national coach Jürgen "Klinsi" Klinsmann has decided to leave Germany. Darn it. :'(
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,426328,00.html:
--- Quote ---Klinsmann Quits as German Coach
Jürgen Klinsmann has decided not to stay on as Germany's national soccer team coach, despite leading his young squad to the World Cup semi-finals. The decision will disappoint the millions of German fans who had hoped he would continue.
It will come as a hard blow after the World Cup euphoria that gripped host nation Germany: the man that lead their youthful and underdog team to a surprisingly strong showing in the tournament is calling it quits. Jürgen Klinsmann will not continue as German national coach despite overwhelming support across the country.
"I have a great wish to return to my family and my children," said Klinsmann at a press conference on Wednesday. "I feel burned out."
His assistant coach Joachim Löw, who has played a big part in Klinsmann's controversial attempt to modernize the training methods of the German Football Association (DFB), was named as his successor. "He was never an assistant - he was a partner, who had his own areas of responsibility," Klinsmann said.
The resistance to change that Klinsmann and his staff encountered prior to the World Cup could be one of the biggest reasons for his resignation. His two-year tenure was marked by frequent public criticism of the 41-year-old, who had no previous coaching experience.
Although Germany's third-place finish at the World Cup and the bold, attacking style of the national team won Klinsmann legions of fans and helped the country develop a strong sense of unity amid an outpouring of enthusiasm, it was never clear he would continue as coach after the tournament.
He lives with his family in California, which was always a point of contention with many at the DFB and others in Germany's soccer community -- as were some of his personnel and coaching decisions. Klinsmann may fear a return to infighting and backbiting once the wave of excitement generated by the World Cup rolls back.
Former German coach Berti Vogts was one of the few not to be caught up in the national glow of the team's impressive performance, which made it seem to some that Klinsmann would be encouraged to continue. "After this World Cup everything certainly seems wonderful. But I know that Jürgen Klinsmann hasn't forgotten all the things that happened to him over the past two years," Vogts told the Stuttgarter Zeitung newspaper.
From zero to hero
After Germany was thumped 4-1 by Italy in a friendly in March, an opinion poll had 60 percent of the public calling for Klinsmann to be replaced. Only months later, after a strong showing in the World Cup and only a narrow defeat by Italy in the semi-finals, fans were desperate for him to remain. Many held banners during the team's last match for third place against Portugal reading: "Klinsi Please Stay!"
"I hope that no one's heart will be broken by this," Klinsmann said. "Now let's look to the future. We'll have a lot of fun watching this team."
But the decision was also likely a disappointment to Klinsmann's youthful players, who had unanimously called for him to continue on as coach heading towards the European championships in Switzerland and Austria in two years.
"It's a shame that Klinsmann is not continuing," German captain Michael Ballack said. "I am pleased, though, that we now have a coach in Joachim Löw who knows the team and who will continue in the same style."
Speaking after Klinsmann at the same press conference on Wednesday, the new German head coach echoed his predecessor's unshakable optimism. "We are deeply convinced that we have established ourselves in the top of world football again. We have a young team that can only improve," Löw said.
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Joachim Löw and Jürgen Klinsmann after a German goal against Ecuador: ;D
We'll miss him!!!
isabelle:
--- Quote from: Pipedream on July 13, 2006, 06:39:07 pm ---How fitting. Quite a few people have decided to leave BetterMost for good only shortly after our very own national coach Jürgen "Klinsi" Klinsmann has decided to leave Germany. Darn it. :'(
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A shame he is leaving, a shame they are leaving... But who? Is there an official thread somewhere of people stating they are leaving Bettermost? ???
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