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Why are we like this?
twistedude:
Since I love Brokeback, and am totally indifferent to Titanic, I---oy.
My shrink says it's because I just had to auction off my huge baseball card collection, and needed something to fill the hole in my life....I suppose it's possible, but I think she's just looking for an excuse..."I don't love you as if you were the salt-rose, topaz..."
dly64:
--- Quote from: fontaine on June 25, 2006, 08:54:20 am ---Aren't those simply examples of hypocracy? Are you saying that when people loudly thump their causes its largely because they're hypocrites? I don't know but it certainly sounds very plausible. If these people focus on what others do and don't say and do, then they avoid having to look at themselves. Was that your point, dly64?
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Absolutely. Those who are open to discussion and debate about certain topics are more comfortable with their inner dialogue. They are not trying to prove something to themselves or anyone else. They are open to exploring all sides of an issue. I always say that a person who protests/ criticises others too loudly has something they are avoiding or trying to hide (from themselves and others).
fontaine:
--- Quote from: dly64 on June 25, 2006, 04:26:01 pm ---Absolutely. Those who are open to discussion and debate about certain topics are more comfortable with their inner dialogue. They are not trying to prove something to themselves or anyone else. They are open to exploring all sides of an issue. I always say that a person who protests/ criticises others too loudly has something they are avoiding or trying to hide (from themselves and others).
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How do you think people end up one way or the other? In Brokeback, Ennis was a closed person per his, "I ain't no queer" speech to Jack coupled with his continuing choices. In his case, it seems he'd been traumatized by being taken as a child to see the mutilated corpse of a dead gay man for starters. While that provides a logical explanation for Ennis, I doubt it's the only way that people end up either open or close-minded. What do you think?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: fontaine on June 26, 2006, 10:47:52 am ---How do you think people end up one way or the other? In Brokeback, Ennis was a closed person per his, "I ain't no queer" speech to Jack coupled with his continuing choices. In his case, it seems he'd been traumatized by being taken as a child to see the mutilated corpse of a dead gay man for starters. While that provides a logical explanation for Ennis, I doubt it's the only way that people end up either open or close-minded. What do you think?
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Actually, I think Ennis is something of an example of the protest-too-much type -- though not a vocal gay-basher of the kind we've been discussing -- because he'd grown up constantly having to hide his own feelings. The Earl experience is not so much the cause of his trauma as the tip of the iceberg. Believing his dad capable of torturing a man to death for being gay, knowing that his dad's view represented the whole community's prevailing sentiment, and meanwhile realizing that he himself was attracted to men, would make for many nightmarish years. Especially since he seems to have respected his dad otherwise, and would feel pressured to remember him even more respectfully after his death.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 26, 2006, 12:59:02 pm ---Actually, I think Ennis is something of an example of the protest-too-much type -- though not a vocal gay-basher of the kind we've been discussing -- because he'd grown up constantly having to hide his own feelings. The Earl experience is not so much the cause of his trauma as the tip of the iceberg. Believing his dad capable of torturing a man to death for being gay, knowing that his dad's view represented the whole community's prevailing sentiment, and meanwhile realizing that he himself was attracted to men, would make for many nightmarish years. Especially since he seems to have respected his dad otherwise, and would feel pressured to remember him even more respectfully after his death.
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I agree, latjoreme. Ennis tried to live a straight life. He tried proving to himself and everyone else that he was a hetero. Didn't work so great because he couldn't give himself to anyone else but Jack. Could this be, at least in part, why Ennis was so explosive? It was a way to avoid what he was actually feeling (Just an idea!) ;)
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