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serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on October 05, 2013, 10:22:33 am ---That's how I'm taking the "I'm nothing, I'm nobody" lines. He's never made anything of himself because he kept quitting jobs to run off to the mountains with Jack.
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That too. I don't think he's lying about the financial part, or that he's speaking openly of their sexual orientation. I think he's making kind of devastated sweeping statements that cover the whole thing. He's used to being poor and getting by on very little, so although I doubt he's thrilled about it, that alone would not be enough to make him collapse in despair all of a sudden. If he were comfortably middle class, like Jack is thanks to Lureen, I don't think the scene would have played out much differently.
--- Quote ---Different "layer." But in the context of the "economic layer" of the conversation--why he can't take off in August--yes, I think he's blaming Jack for his own economic situation.
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Oh. Well, I've never read the "it's because of you I'm like this" quite that literally. I've always read it as, "it's because of you my whole life is a deadend mess" which could include his happiness, his marriage, his kids, his job and everything else.
--- Quote ---And on that note--waves hand as he heads out the door for the airport to catch a flight to Denver. ... ;D
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Have a great time! Say hi to Front Ranger and any other Brokie you see!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: x-man on October 05, 2013, 12:57:26 pm ---I have become fascinated by the Jack/Jimbo scene. Serious crayons raises the interesting point that the people connected to the film were straight and they were aiming it at a predominately straight audience, so they would present their intentions in a way comprehensible to a straight audience.
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There's been talk that the second tent scene, nonexistent in the short story, is presented in a more romantic way than, say, Tent Scene 1, partly to appeal to/communicate with straight audiences.
--- Quote ---It would seem that if serious crayon's point be true, we must rethink the scene as a man approaching a woman, and that in such a scene what the man (Jack) said would be enough to alert the woman to his intentions. Would I be right in concluding that straight men just do not offer to buy a strange woman a drink without a sexual agenda? Or is it that women are so paranoid or have been through it often enough that they mistrust any such overture? Or both? If so, it is a shame. Many enjoyable conversations or even potential friendships must be missed.
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Straight men would rarely buy a strange woman a drink without a semi-sexual agenda, which is not to suggest that by accepting it she's committing to sex. If single straight people of opposite sexes start talking at length in a bar, period, regardless of who buys, the suggestion of sex is probably more at the forefront than it would be between two men. Maybe even if both were gay, unless maybe they're in a gay bar, where at least the potential for sexual agenda is sort of in the air, right? Well, then consider that 95 percent of bars are "straight bars," for all practical purposes, and you can extrapolate accordingly.
However, a straight man might by a female coworker a drink without an assumed sexual agenda, which is essentially what Jack is doing with Jimbo -- they're not strangers. But the eye contact lets Jimbo know he's looking for more than a casual chat at the bar.
--- Quote ---But anyone who looks like Gyllenhaal can get anybody he wants.
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Except, apparently, Jimbo. Guess clowns can afford to be picky.
x-man:
No, sc, you misunderstand me. I was imagining the bartender's remarks as they might be understood in a gay bar, a gay cowboy bar, situation. Given that they were in a straight, homophobic bar, and if the remarks were meant to be a put-down, I would certainly agree with you.
x-man:
I think my fascination with the Jack/Jimbo scene stems from a personal event which I will tell you about in a moment.
After taking all the evidence into consideration, I think we are left with this: BBM is a straight film being marketed to a straight audience, and designed to be comprehensible to them. The original screenplay makes it clear that a pick-up was intended. If the scene were pitched to a gay audience, it would have been done differently--different conversation, verbal and body-language cues, etc. Unanswered questions for me are, Why would Jack even take such a chance in that bar, and done it so boldly, and so clumsily?And why Jimbo? Looking like Jack, if he only wanted to hook-up with a friend, he would just have to sit there for a while. Given the size of the bar and how crowded it was, Jack was not alone, however homophobic it was.
A couple of years before Jack hit on Jimbo, I went down to the US to visit a friend of mine from military days. We drove south from SF to LA, then across Arizona, up to Denver, and across to Chicago. I was all cautious and shy, but not Bill. He gave new meaning to Out Front. His motto was "When I cruise them they KNOW they've been cruised." This made him quite a hit in Denver, but not in Flagstaff, AZ. The bar we stopped in there was basically the one in the Jack/Jimbo scene. After a couple of beers I was alone, while Bill was in the back near the pool table "interacting" with the cowboys. The bartender came over and said, "You both have to leave." "Why? I asked. "You KNOW why," he replied. And I did know. I was just sitting there keeping my eyes to myself, but I pretty well knew what Bill was up to. When I found him, talking to a group of rather alarmed cowboys, he was outraged that we were being thrown out, but had enough sense not to make a scene. I realized the bartender was doing us a favour, and that we were risking the tire iron. I was mad at Bill for putting us in such danger, but mad at myself for being so stupid as to allow it to happen. If we had been in the Jack/Jimbo bar, I would have been sitting there quietly, while Bill would never even have looked at Jimbo, but have had Jack in a stall in the men's washroom in a flash. The rest of the trip to Chicago went pretty much the same way. Looking back, I can hardly believe we took such chances. He had all the fun; I had all the paranoia. He is, BTW, living quietly with his longtime partner in Denver, active in church affairs, not at all the wild man of our youth.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: x-man on October 06, 2013, 09:45:47 am --- If the scene were pitched to a gay audience, it would have been done differently--different conversation, verbal and body-language cues, etc.
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Like what?
--- Quote --- Unanswered questions for me are, Why would Jack even take such a chance in that bar, and done it so boldly, and so clumsily?And why Jimbo? Looking like Jack, if he only wanted to hook-up with a friend, he would just have to sit there for a while. Given the size of the bar and how crowded it was, Jack was not alone, however homophobic it was.
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He probably didn't have that much practice. Or maybe he normally had guys hit on him, but it had been a while. Who knows? It was all probably somewhat new to him, whereas Bill sounds much more experienced.
--- Quote ---A couple of years before Jack hit on Jimbo, I went down to the US to visit a friend of mine from military days. We drove south from SF to LA, then across Arizona, up to Denver, and across to Chicago. I was all cautious and shy, but not Bill. He gave new meaning to Out Front. His motto was "When I cruise them they KNOW they've been cruised." This made him quite a hit in Denver, but not in Flagstaff, AZ. The bar we stopped in there was basically the one in the Jack/Jimbo scene. After a couple of beers I was alone, while Bill was in the back near the pool table "interacting" with the cowboys. The bartender came over and said, "You both have to leave." "Why? I asked. "You KNOW why," he replied. And I did know. I was just sitting there keeping my eyes to myself, but I pretty well knew what Bill was up to. When I found him, talking to a group of rather alarmed cowboys, he was outraged that we were being thrown out, but had enough sense not to make a scene. I realized the bartender was doing us a favour, and that we were risking the tire iron. I was mad at Bill for putting us in such danger, but mad at myself for being so stupid as to allow it to happen. If we had been in the Jack/Jimbo bar, I would have been sitting there quietly, while Bill would never even have looked at Jimbo, but have had Jack in a stall in the men's washroom in a flash. The rest of the trip to Chicago went pretty much the same way. Looking back, I can hardly believe we took such chances. He had all the fun; I had all the paranoia. He is, BTW, living quietly with his longtime partner in Denver, active in church affairs, not at all the wild man of our youth.
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"What do other people do?" "Move to Denver, I guess."
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