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Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll

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louisev:
you little minx you!  doughboys are so much more sensual!

MaineWriter:

--- Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 08:44:46 am ---I did let it slip in chat the other day that the last time Ennis fished around in the toy drawer was going to be about where we stop in the toy department.  It wasn't my intent to explore all the new ways and means of getting kinky, but for Ennis to find himself with a man who enjoys a little of the wild side of life and bring out the natural dominance in Ennis's nature.  So the "more new things "that will be coming at him will be more on the relationship level than the sex toys.... I am asking about where we have got to for now, because I did get a mite concerned about the readers.

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I think all of the exploration between Ennis and Ellery has been done in a very appropriate and mutually consenting way so even though it may be fast, in one way, it hasn't been forced. The only time that Ennis seemed to think any of it was sort of weird was the buttplug and that seemed to be that Ellery was meeting some personal need that Ennis didn't fully understand--at first--but even that, by the end of the day, Ennis seemed to be accepting and comfortable with. (Ellery even acknowledged this when he said, "You might think I've gone nuts...")

Given that everything Ennis and Ellery have done, I have done (except the ping pong paddle) with my partner of 29+ years, I don't see any of it as kinky, since I don't see myself as kinky. But who knows if that is the right yardstick to be measuring against? Maybe I am way out on the fringe and I just don't realize it. I don't think, so, though. I did used to read alt.rec.sex and related newsgroups, after all, back in the day.

I do think that exploring relationships will be fun for you to write, Louise, and fun for us to read. This is one thing that Ennis has never had. I know people disagree with this view, but I believe that Jack and Ennis did not have a relationship. Yes, they were in love and yes, they got together, but a relationship entails the day-to-day and building a life. Ennis didn't have one with Alma, either, for all intents and purposes. So...exploring this with Ellery will be an interesting journey.

Typing this has made me think...those who are so adamantly opposed to movingon!Ennis fics...they seem to have a whole lot of reasons, none of which are particularly rational to me. I wonder if another might be that they don't to believe or accept that Ennis is actually capable of entering in, sustaining, and growing in a relationship? Hmmm....

L

louisev:
Very good comments, Leslie, and to a great extent I agree with you.  While I do not doubt Ennis loved Jack deeply... and have tried as best I can to portray not only his love but the depth of his loss... a relationship is an entirely different animal, and it is something that occurs in a daily living situation (or at least in the course of regular contact.)  That regular contact is necessary for a relationship to develop, and for relationship dynamics to emerge.

Where I want to go with the saga is further into where it will take two men who have never had a sustained daily relationship of any depth (Ennis because of his life being so separated from Jack, and Ellery because he never found someone suitable), when they find themselves deep in love and committed to one another in a permanent way.

Bigheart:

--- Quote from: louisev on July 12, 2006, 09:08:46 am ---you little minx you!  doughboys are so much more sensual!

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Heeeee!   ;D
How are you coming along with chapter 81?? It's been a while Louise  :P :-*

louisev:
it's coming it's coming!  You people!  First you're behind and now you're caught up, there is no pleasin you!

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