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TOTW 27/08: Do you think Ennis would have asked Lureen for Jack's ashes?

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milomorris:
- We know that Ennis "...didn’t want to know Jack was going in there, to be buried on the grieving plain." So he was motivated.

- Since Ennis did ask OMT for Jack's ashes in his round-about way, I don't think it would be out of character for him to ask Lureen. Especially since she was the one who brought the idea up in the first place.

- Lureen was interested in seeing Jack's wishes carried out. In light of OMT's refusal, I think she might give Ennis the ashed buried in Childress if asked.

- I don't think Ennis was afraid of betting associated with a man who he feared was killed for being a homosexual. The SS bears no evidence that Ennis thought Lureen was lying to him. Perhaps he thought that she didn't know what "really" happened.

I think there is certainly room for the possibility.

milomorris:

--- Quote from: brokeplex on October 13, 2008, 10:57:41 pm ---were Jacks ashes actually buried? Lureen did put up a stone, but did she bury the ashes? Maybe she has the ashes on mantle somewhere?

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--- Quote ---So he was cremated, like he wanted, and, like I say, half his ashes was interred here, and the rest I sent up to his folks.
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Mandy21:
Brokeplex, in the film and in the short story, I believe Lureen says something to the effect of "half his ashes was interred here, and the rest I sent up to his folks".  Why would we question her using the word "interred", which according to Webster means, 'to put into a grave; bury'.  What's your premise/theory for us not believing her?

By the way, I voted No, and I agree very much with Chrissie as to why.  Lureen would have been mortified beyond belief is those ashes had to be dug up, and some explaining had to be done.  I think if Lureen had actually ever met Ennis or spoken to him on the phone, even, before Jack's death, that things might have been different, and she might have been a bit more sympathetic to Ennis's grief.  But that wasn't the case.

I also voted No because Ennis was never a man who needed many material objects in order to survive and live his life (or the semblance of the life that he led, more correctly).  Why would he need an urn of ashes to remind him every minute of every day for the rest of that life, of Jack?

milomorris:

--- Quote from: Mandy21 on October 13, 2008, 11:49:36 pm ---By the way, I voted No, and I agree very much with Chrissie as to why.  Lureen would have been mortified beyond belief is those ashes had to be dug up, and some explaining had to be done.

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The only explaining that needed to be done was to say that "His father won't honor his wishes, so I will."
 

--- Quote from: Mandy21 on October 13, 2008, 11:49:36 pm ---I also voted No because Ennis was never a man who needed many material objects in order to survive and live his life (or the semblance of the life that he led, more correctly).  Why would he need an urn of ashes to remind him every minute of every day for the rest of that life, of Jack?

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The shirts and postcard are material objects.

Katie77:
After the reception Ennis got on the phone from Laureen, I dont think he would have dared go near her for anything, let alone the ashes.

I thought she was nice to tell Ennis of Jack's wishes, about scattering his ashes on Brokeback, but I think Ennis may have twigged that she had worked out what kind of relationship Jack had with him, and because of that, I am sure he would have stayed away from her.

I think when Mrs Twist nodded to Ennis when he came down the stairs with the shirts, was her way of saying, "You might not have the ashes, but you have those shirts now"...

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