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You shut up about Ennis - this ain't (all) his fault
welliwont:
hahahahahaha
Barb and Ruthie:
Now yur both making me blush!! I'm not an Ennis-wanna-be, I'm a Twister through 'n through!! ;D
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OMG! Hark! A revelation! A moment of clarity just ten short minutes ago!
Now I have to confess that reading your posts at stinky old work a few hours ago, I did not grasp that the new suggestion was
the Brokeism "You shut up about Ennis - this ain't (all) his fault." I thought it was
"a day (or two) late and a dollar short" because all I read was:
--- Quote ---Well, a day (or two) late and a dollar short, the perfect name for this thread
--- End quote ---
(I have to admit that I am a dunce) and of course the Brokeism is the better name, gotta go with the Brokeism!
If it's not too late, I vote for the Brokeism. If I had read the post properly, I would never have written my other post in the first place.
Sorry for the bad chi Ruthie and Barb...
Jane
ruthlesslyunsentimental:
--- Quote from: JakeTwist on June 30, 2006, 09:40:39 pm ---
Now I have to confess that reading your posts at stinky old work a few hours ago, I did not grasp that the new suggestion was
the Brokeism "You shut up about Ennis - this ain't (all) his fault." I thought it was
"a day (or two) late and a dollar short" because all I read was:
Well, a day (or two) late and a dollar short, the perfect name for this thread
(I have to admit that I am a dunce) and of course the Brokeism is the better name, gotta go with the Brokeism!
--- End quote ---
Now wait a minute, JakeTwist. You thought I would change the name of the post to "A Day (or Two) Late and a Dollar Short?"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'm gonna have to throw you that same glance that Ennis threw to Jack right after Jack said "The hell we are..." at the "yee-haw" scene.
dly64:
I want to bring up the whole agruement at the lake. I have heard a few different points of view and I would like to hear all of your opinions.
When Jack says, "I did once" .... when I first saw the film, I thought Jack meant that he did have a better idea by going to Mexico, having sex with a prostitute and not having any emotional baggage. Someone else said that when Jack said, "I did once" he was referring to having a life with Ennis. Ennis didn't want to hear the same old thing, so he picked a fight about Mexico ... i.e. putting the issue back on Jack. It ended up backfiring because all this other stuff came out and Jack brought up the subject of a life together anyway. Honestly, at this point I don't know what I think.
I bring this up in this thread because we have hinted at this issue before. We have established that the whole arguement was not about jealousy. IMO, however, Ennis felt completely betrayed. It was okay for either one of them to have sex with women. It was not okay, in Ennis' mind, to have sex with another man. Ennis was faithful to Jack. He expected Jack to do the same. Then he hears Jack say he has had sex with another man and that their infrequent couplings were not enough.
After Jack says, "I wish I knew how to quit you .." and Ennis replies, "Why don't you? Why don't you let me be? It's because of you, Jack, that I'm like this ..." IMO, Ennis did not see himself as gay. In Ennis' mind, it was Jack's fault that he loved a man. Then, the man he loved betrayed him by having an "affair".
None of what was said was news. But, having said it outloud was hurtful to both. The screenplay and book state the following:
After Jack says, "I wish I knew how to quit you."
Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter, the years of things unsaid and now unsayable -- admissions, declarations, shames guilts, fears -- rise around them.
After Ennis collapses in Jacks arms ...
And then .... they hug one another, a fierce desparate embrace -- managing to torque things almost to where they had been, for what they've just said is no news: as always, nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved.
Then it goes into the dozy embrace, which is a different issue altogether. I won't open that can of worms at this moment.
Getting back to the whole "I did once" issue ... Was Jack trying to quit Ennis? Was Ennis trying to quit Jack? Did Jack want to hurt Ennis as he had been hurt?
I see Jack and Ennis' reunion and the lake scene as bookends. In the mountains .... the whole discussion of how often they can see each other is brought up:
Ennis: "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it."
Jack: "For how long?"
Ennis: For as long as we can ride it ... there ain't no reins on this one."
At the lake ....
Jack: "I'll tell you what .... the truth is ..... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."
Then when Ennis collapses in Jack's arms:
Ennis: "I can't stand this anymore, Jack.
It's as if their "ride" is almost over. Each one can hardly handle this secret and intense love.
As an additional note, the first time Jack brings up having a life together is after their reunion. Jack brings it up again at the lake ... knowing that it will never happen. Again, bookends to their life together post BBM.
I'd like to hear your thoughts!
welliwont:
--- Quote from: ruthlesslyunsentimental on June 30, 2006, 09:58:04 pm ---
I'm gonna have to throw you that same glance that Ennis threw to Jack right after Jack said "The hell we are..." at the "yee-haw" scene.
--- End quote ---
I was thinking more along the lines of the look Ennis gives when Jack says "better git unless you wannna be standing around tying knots all day!" :laugh: :laugh:
On my way home during my 2 hour commute (yes, I really do commute 4 hours a day - well it's more like 3 - 3.5 ta be honest :-\ ::)) I was thinking about what I'd written. huh? A day late and a dollar short, what the hell !! ??? ??? what has that got to do with the topic?? That's ridiculous, LOL!! Maybe there's a reason why most of my posts don't get much response? LOLOL. ::) ??? :laugh: :laugh:
Did my brain suffer a power surge or something? Naw that ain't it. It's because I was at work, I took my lunch a half an hpur later than I told you I would, I was dealing with a casting emergency with the performance, I even went so far as to put a client on hold so I could complete a BetterMost post (I work in a Call Centre) oh, I better not tell you that! That's not why they pay me the big bucks, to play at BetterMost during the slow periods!
Anyway I think it's funny. couldn't wait to get home and post this, I'm not surprised you picked up on it Ruthie, I was wondering if I would be the first one to laugh at myself before anyone else. Anyway, I'm off to work on the performance and read fanfic, ttyl,
Jane
ruthlesslyunsentimental:
--- Quote from: JakeTwist on July 01, 2006, 01:05:07 am ---I was thinking more along the lines of the look Ennis gives when Jack says "better git unless you wannna be standing around tying knots all day!" :laugh: :laugh:
--- End quote ---
This one works for me, too! :laugh:
--- Quote ---I was wondering if I would be the first one to laugh at myself before anyone else.
--- End quote ---
S'alright... s'alright.
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