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TOTW 28/08: All them things unsaid...
mariez:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on October 27, 2008, 06:49:21 pm ---Although the words "I love you" were NOT said, there were many many times that it was shown between them, where the words were not necessary.
The reunion scene, to me being the major one. Those crushing bodies together, chests, arms, hands, faces, lips, heads..........that was far stronger than the unspoken three little words.
Even when Ennis stood at the top of the stairs and said "Jack fuckin Twist".....the look, the smile, the excitement and the complete enormity of the moment, he might as well be saying "I love you".
The did say it many times, they just didnt use the "i love you" words.
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Yes. Even Ennis ordering soup from the Basque, when he previously told him he didn't eat soup tells us something.
And even though the words "I love you" weren't said in the book or movie. Ennis uses the word "love" twice in the story, when talking about his girls:
“Two little girls,” Ennis said. “Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces.”
“What I’m sayin, Jack, I built a life up in them years. Love my little girls. Alma? It ain’t her fault.
So I can see story Ennis telling his girls that he loved them, and I think that's a case where an "I love you" was not left unsaid, even if we didn't see it.
But now I'm thinking about Jack and Lureen and the things left unsaid between them. He told her he wanted his ashes scattered on Brokeback Moutain. But she thought Brokeback was either up by Lightning Flat or a pretend place - so it appears that his wishes weren't a formal thing, but just something he "used to say" - with a lot more left unsaid.
Marie
ifyoucantfixit:
I think Ennis told himself that he wasn't gay. Jack was the gay one! "I heard what they got in
Mexico, for boys like you." Not boys like us. I think he had convinced himself for years, that what him
and Jack did was for his "friend" Jack. He was so phobic, that he couldnt even allow himself to admit
to himself, he too was gay. Maybe the only time he ever really allowed himself to feel that way was
when he said "its because a you Jack i'm like this." Even tho he had somewhat admitted it, when he
mentioned about ' people on the street, could tell."
So with all the denial he was not able to say, I love you or he would have to admit outloud to
himself as well.
underdown:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on October 27, 2008, 06:49:21 pm ---Although the words "I love you" were NOT said, there were many many times that it was shown between them, where the words were not necessary.
The reunion scene, to me being the major one. Those crushing bodies together, chests, arms, hands, faces, lips, heads..........that was far stronger than the unspoken three little words.
Even when Ennis stood at the top of the stairs and said "Jack fuckin Twist".....the look, the smile, the excitement and the complete enormity of the moment, he might as well be saying "I love you".
The did say it many times, they just didnt use the "i love you" words.
--- End quote ---
Well, I disagree that the things they said, and the looks and smiles, could be taken as saying 'I love you'.
'Might as well be saying' it, is just not saying it at all.
To actually say to someone 'I love you' takes sincerity and, without that, it cannot really be love.
Yes, fond looks and smiles and loving acts are necessary, too, but it doesn't take a lot of courage.
Katie77:
--- Quote from: underdown on October 28, 2008, 06:05:17 am ---Well, I disagree that the things they said, and the looks and smiles, could be taken as saying 'I love you'.
'Might as well be saying' it, is just not saying it at all.
To actually say to someone 'I love you' takes sincerity and, without that, it cannot really be love.
Yes, fond looks and smiles and loving acts are necessary, too, but it doesn't take a lot of courage.
--- End quote ---
I agree, that for them to have said the actual words, it would have been wonderful, but these two blokes were in denial about so many things, for them to have said those words, would have been very difficult.
So, the things they did in their own kinda way may not have been telling them that they loved them, but showing them that they loved them.....which, in my opinion is just as important and makes the love they feel no less nor less sincere.
underdown:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on October 28, 2008, 06:38:58 am ---I agree, that for them to have said the actual words, it would have been wonderful, but these two blokes were in denial about so many things, for them to have said those words, would have been very difficult.
So, the things they did in their own kinda way may not have been telling them that they loved them, but showing them that they loved them.....which, in my opinion is just as important and makes the love they feel no less nor less sincere.
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Of course. It is just as important. It's sort of sad that the words weren't said, and half the thing was missing.
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