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"Jack, I swear..." What do you think Ennis meant by that?
loneleeb3:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on June 14, 2007, 03:59:53 pm ---Couldn't agree more. Thanks for bringing up Ennis' "Jack, I can't stand this anymore" at the end of the lake side argument. I feel that it is *so* important, but somehow often gets overlooked.
This confession by Ennis, together with the pie scene in the diner and some other things, makes me absolutely sure that things would have turned for the better, had Jack lived.
But after more than a year gone by, I still haven't figured out if this makes the story even sadder or less sad...
For me personally, I think less sad.
Sorry for digessing here.
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For me it makes it sadder because he came to his realization too late.
He never got the chance to show Jack. :'(
serious crayons:
Here's another possibility. We've talked about this scene being a bookend for the scene in Aguirre's trailer -- both take place in trailers, Jr. is 19 just like Ennis was, etc. We've also talked about how the Aguirre's trailer scene is like a wedding ceremony, Jack and Ennis coming together on paper, with Aguirre as the pastor, the camp tender and herder instructions like the "love honor and obey" stuff, the watch the ring, the handshake the kiss, and so on.
Well, in that scenario, maybe by saying "I swear," Ennis is at last bringing closure to the ceremony, finally saying "I do."
Rayn:
Hmmmmm, interesting, but I feel a bit like my imagination is being stretched like salt water taffy to pull it off! But then, I say things that make people's imaginations do back flips, so... hmmmmmm, not sure why I can't go more a than a mile or two with this one, but again, it's interesting. But I hate to disagree without offering an alternative view. Perhaps where love is concerned, I look for something more traditional-- if such can be applied to male lovers...
When Jack and Ennis are talking about the future and present in the first campsite by the brook and Jack makes his actual "proposal" with "You know, it could be like this, just like this always.." They talk about past and present situations, feelings, Alma etc with Ennis saying no, "It ain't gonna be like that." But in the end, Ennis does give in as long as the bond is on his terms i.e. "... together, way out in the middle of nowhere".... And Jack asks, "For how long?" Ennis, "For as long as we can ride it. There ain't no reins on this one". Always... as long as we can ride it... Then Jack leans over and caresses Ennis which amounts to "the wedding kiss" without a bride! That, to me, is the commitment vows and ceremony, done alone between the two of them because, "Ain't nobody's business but ours". Their relationship did not allow other people in and in the end it was other people who brought it to crisis and ended it, other people and the intense emotional tensions between the two of them ended it.
The strange but characteristic thing about Ennis' contradictions, is the fact that Ennis knows "There ain't no reins on this one..." meaning he can't deny or control his feelings for Jack but he places reins on the relationship from the beginning and they have to deal with them. Ennis even blames Jack in the end for those limits that cause so much hardship. "It's 'cause of you, Jack, I'm like this..."
Ennis is so pure and so messed in so many ways... but I love him anyway. Like I've admitted... I'm a "Jack at Heart"--- It is remarkable though that they had a love for each other for 20 or more years under those limited conditions.
Rayn:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on June 14, 2007, 04:43:52 pm ---Here's another possibility. We've talked about this scene being a bookend for the scene in Aguirre's trailer -- both take place in trailers, Jr. is 19 just like Ennis was, etc. We've also talked about how the Aguirre's trailer scene is like a wedding ceremony, Jack and Ennis coming together on paper, with Aguirre as the pastor, the camp tender and herder instructions like the "love honor and obey" stuff, the watch the ring, the handshake the kiss, and so on.
Well, in that scenario, maybe by saying "I swear," Ennis is at last bringing closure to the ceremony, finally saying "I do."
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loneleeb3:
--- Quote ---It is remarkable though that they had a love for each other for 20 or more years under those limited conditions.
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So true! I have heard it said that "Love will not be denied" and this is proof of that.
Through all the limitations of Time, distance and Ennis' self imposed regulation it still managed to flourish.
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