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--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 29, 2017, 10:36:02 am ---Granted Kimmel may be centrist and less partisan than a Remnick,, but how many "Joe the Plumbers" do you think are watching and listening to Kimmel? I could be wrong, but I suspect not a whole lot.
He's still preaching to a choir, don't you think, albeit a more intelligent and sensible one than, say, a Bill O'Reilly? But he's not going to change any minds on the Far Right, or, I suspect, even many more Centrist Trumpites.
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I'm not sure how the late-night schedule works -- who is on at the same time as who. And keep in mind I almost never watch any of these shows at all; I used to watch John Stewart and I've watched Colbert a handful of times. But mostly I just see particularly standout segments on the internet later. However, I watch enough internet that I have a pretty clear idea of where the late-night hosts stand, politically.
Lefties who want unabashedly left-leaning political humor watch Colbert, Trevor Noah, Seth Meyers and/or Samantha Bee. John Oliver on Sundays. I don't think Conan O'Brien gets all that political, from what I've seen, but I would imagine his audience is probably somewhat left-ish.
As far as I know there are no unequivocally right-wing late-night comedy shows. People like O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson aren't on that late and aren't at all funny. Dennis Miller is funny and conservative (a rare combo!) but I don't think he has a show of his own. So there are no funny hosts who are as politically right-wing as the hosts in the paragraph above are left-wing.
That leaves Jimmys Fallon and Kimmel. Fallon got in some political trouble during last year's primaries by having Trump on his show and playfully ruffling his hair (as opposed to treating him like the evil emperor he is). Fallon aims to be harmless and politically neutral and centrist-friendly, though I think he has since expressed regret about the hair ruffling as going too far. I believe Stephen Colbert had Trump on once, too, and later regretted being as polite as he was to Trump. But no one would accuse Colbert of not being left-leaning enough.
So then Kimmel. I had only seen a few things by Kimmel before his baby was born and they weren't at all political. They were kind of biting -- he gets celebrities to read mean tweets about themselves on air, he had parents steal their children's Halloween candy and then record their children's reactions when told it was gone. He has carried on a long fake feud with Matt Damon -- pretending Damon was going to be a guest and then saying they'd run out of time before Damon came out, stuff like that. So Damon and Sarah Silverman, Kimmel's then-girlfriend, made a hilarious video called "I'm Fucking Matt Damon." Kimmel retaliated with an even more hilarious, star-studded video (cameos by everyone from Brad Pitt to Josh Groban) called "I'm Fucking Ben Affleck." (Note: That sounds like it has the potential to be kind of homophobic humor but to this straight person, at least, it didn't seem particularly offensive.) When Jay Leno bumped Conan off the Tonight Show, Kimmel went on Leno's show and very frankly and brutally bashed him for doing that.
Anyway! The point is, Kimmel doesn't joke about politics. Apparently never mentioned anything remotely political until his baby was born. So while no doubt some socially conservative types wouldn't like "I'm Fucking Ben Affleck" conceptually, an easygoing conservative could easily find all this very funny and not politically offensive. And many conservatives stay up late and like comedy, just like liberals. So I imagine Kimmel's audience represents a mix of political views, even if just by default. Conservatives who want to watch a late-night talk show without being politically enraged have to choose between Fallon and Kimmel (or watch both, or watch one and record the other). I don't know if the conservatives I work with watch late-night shows, but if they did that's what they would watch.
So that's why I say Kimmel doesn't have a choir -- unlike Remnick, Colbert, Noah, Bee, Oliver, etc.
--- Quote ---And, I know it's ugly to say this, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there are some out there who might consider him talking about his own son's experience as a cheap shot. ("Cheap shot" is really not the term I want to use, but it's the only one I can think of at the moment.)
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Of course. It's the internet. There's always someone out there saying anything, particularly if they disagree politically. But I have read quite a bit about this issue and I haven't seen even a hint of that kind of judgement from any responsible source. Yeah, I'm in a bubble, but still -- not even a Fox News person would be scummy enough to say that. (What conservatives say is that Kimmel isn't qualified to speak knowledgeably about the health-care plans).
But perhaps you haven't actually seen the monologue about the baby? If you have, you'll see why it would be hard for anyone to accuse Kimmel of exploiting his newborn son's life-threatening heart defect for political purposes. If you haven't, I highly recommend it. It's very powerful, and it's also actually funny.
The politics only take up final 2.5 minutes of the 13 minutes in the video. And even then it's a very "we're all in this together" tone, not a divisive or partisan tone. Before that, he just tells the story of what happened to his son, pulls out a list and thanks by name every single doctor and nurse who helped him as well as members of his family, etc.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0[/youtube]
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Two more thoughts about Jimmy Kimmel's non-partisanness. After the initial baby monologue he had Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana on his show in apparent good faith. So conservative viewers could be pleased about that. Cassidy promised Kimmel that any health care plan would have to pass the "Jimmy Kimmel test." Only after Cassidy literally co-wrote a bill that absolutely did not pass the JK test did Kimmel criticize him.
And, according to what he said in another video, Kimmel once also wrote a blurb for some Fox News commentator's book. He slammed that guy for implying that Kimmel was trying to impose his elite Hollywood values on America and celebrities don't know what they're talking about. Kimmel, despite all his amusing self-deprecation, clearly does. And he pointed out that the Fox guy was a huge celebrity-seeker who sucked up to Kimmel and asked for the blurb.
Jeff Wrangler:
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I wasn't limiting my thinking to late-night hosts and shows.
In this political climate do you seriously believe there is such a thing as an "easy-going conservative"?
We also may have different ideas of what constitutes a choir. You haven't convinced me that Kimmel doesn't have a choir of his own, so we may as well just drop it.
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--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on October 01, 2017, 06:28:51 pm ---We'll just have to agree to disagree. I wasn't limiting my thinking to late-night hosts and shows.
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Well, obviously there are all kinds of people out there expressing opinions about health care. Most of them, like Remnick or Colbert or O'Reilly, are doing it in a context where their opinions are expected and predictable. My point is that I don't think left-leaning opinions are expected or predictable from Jimmy Kimmel (and his, even in the end, weren't so much "left-leaning" as just criticizing Republican health-care bills and some on Fox; as far as I know he hasn't even gotten into Trump).
I guess it would be even more powerful if, say, Laura (or George!) Bush came out against a Republican bill. But until that happens, a talk-show host that most people don't think of as partisan seems like the next best thing to non-choir-preaching.
--- Quote ---In this political climate do you seriously believe there is such a thing as an "easy-going conservative"?
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Of course!
In the context where I used it, I thought I was pretty clearly referring to conservatives who wouldn't be offended by the homoerotic (or phobic?) humor and swear words in the "I'm Fucking Ben Affleck" type of thing. And of course there are millions of conservatives who fit that category -- heck, we've known a bunch at BetterMost. Others are probably plumbers or Wall Street brokers or frat boys or, for all I know, alt-right white supremacists. (That last category obviously isn't easygoing in other ways.)
But if you are taking "easygoing conservative" to mean something larger, like a centrist conservative, or a moderate conservative, or a conservative who isn't a Trump supporter or who doesn't like the Republican health-care bills, then my answer is still the same. Yes, of course, there are plenty. I know some of them.
--- Quote ---We also may have different ideas of what constitutes a choir. You haven't convinced me that Kimmel doesn't have a choir of his own, so we may as well just drop it.
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Well, I guess every celebrity from Kim Kardashian on down has "choir," depending on how you define it. So by that definition, sure, why not. But you have not offered any reason to think that Kimmel's is heavily left-leaning.
Jeff Wrangler:
Anybody else read the Gloria Allred profile (Oct. 2)? I had no clue she's Philly born and bred.
(At the risk of provoking an argument that I'm really not interested in, I'll admit I'm not a fan. I think she's a publicity hound. I recognize that her tactics have been clearly, if not extraordinarily, successful; it's just that I was brought up to distrust publicity hounds.)
Based on the TOC, lots of interesting stuff in this issue. I've already read Adam Gopnik on Ulysses S. Grant. Next up for me will be the Atul Gawande. I haven't decided what comes after that, the Willa Cather fans or the Aung San Suu Kyi, though I will read both.
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