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In the New Yorker...
Front-Ranger:
I've looked through the information online as to why the Senate was set up with an equal number of Senators for each state and the answer seems to fall into two camps:
* Because "states have rights too" as well as individuals
Because the smaller states were afraid that the larger states would secede and so they agreed to a compromise that set the number of Senators
*
The second reason doesn't make any sense, and the first reason puzzles me because states should have rights in their state, but should whole states have the right to set federal policy? Especially when the policies affect urban people disproportionally? I think not.
serious crayons:
Coincidentally, this just ran in the Washington Post.
Wonkblog Analysis
The big city paradox: They’re getting richer but losing electoral clout
By Andrew Van Dam
November 16 at 12:46 PM
Economically, America’s most prosperous regions are more dominant than ever. Politically, they’re not.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/16/big-city-paradox-theyre-getting-richer-losing-electoral-clout/?utm_term=.e0ebc4b8fc2c&wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1
Also, big city populations are more diverse, which of course not an issue the FFs would have taken into account.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: southendmd on November 16, 2018, 11:55:33 pm ---What did people think about the WWI article? Basically saying it needn’t have happened.
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I liked the article, and the historians' judgment when I was in school was that, in deed, it need not have happened.
Talk about your domino effect. It's been a while, but I think I remember the sequence; I also checked with an old World History textbook. Austria-Hungary decided to crush Serbia after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand because Austria felt that Serbia was complicit in the assassination. Then Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary in support of its fellow Slavs in Serbia. Then Russia mobilized against Germany because it expected (correctly) that Germany would support its ally Austria-Hungary. Germany declared war on Russia because Russia wouldn't stop mobilizing against Germany. Germany also declared war on France because France was allied with Russia. Great Britain supported France and jumped in when Germany invaded Belgium.
Since I first read about this stuff in college, I always felt that if Austria-Hungary had not determined to crush Serbia, the war would not have happened, or at least not in 1914.
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on November 17, 2018, 12:10:43 pm ---
* Because "states have rights too" as well as individuals
* Because the smaller states were afraid that the larger states would secede and so they agreed to a compromise that set the number of Senators
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Jeff, thanks for explaining that I got the second reason turned around. It makes more sense the other way.
But in terms of states having their own rights, I only agree that states have rights within their own boundaries. Federally, I don't think it's right that Wyoming can have the same say in matters as California. That has led to Wyoming receiving more than $4k per capita in Federal aid, versus a small fraction of that for California. I'm sure there are some questions over which states could weigh in equally, but thinking about it for a while now, I can't think of one.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on November 17, 2018, 07:10:57 pm ---Jeff, thanks for explaining that I got the second reason turned around. It makes more sense the other way.
But in terms of states having their own rights, I only agree that states have rights within their own boundaries. Federally, I don't think it's right that Wyoming can have the same say in matters as California. That has led to Wyoming receiving more than $4k per capita in Federal aid, versus a small fraction of that for California. I'm sure there are some questions over which states could weigh in equally, but thinking about it for a while now, I can't think of one.
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Tell that to the Founding Fathers! :laugh:
I don't know enough about the reasoning behind those decisions, but life was very different back then. Maybe they were looking out for the interests of gentleman-farmer types like Thomas Jefferson who lived in less densely populated areas?
What I do know is that there's a Thomas Jefferson quote carved into the Jefferson Memorial in the mall in Washington that says
I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinion change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him as a boy as civilized society ever to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
I took a photo of it to show to anyone who argues against affordable single-payer healthcare with"there's no mention of health care in the Constitution." Because, true, these slave-holding white men, the only eligible voters, did not see the need for citizens to receive outside help paying for their bleedings and leech treatments. I don't think the founders discussed whether this would still make sense in an era of heart transplants and nueromodulation (inserting wires into the brain or spinal cord that deliver electrical currents to particular areas) for Parkinson's disease and chronic pain.
And from a modern perspective, the founders were barbarous in many ways. Though, paradoxically, far more brilliant than typical presidents nowadays.
So they might have decided differently if their culture was more like ours now. For one thing, the Founding Fathers would almost certainly be living in a big city; places like Monticello or Mount Vernon would be for an occasional getaway (a la Camp David) or summer house for the family. Also, they would be rich.
So livestyle-wise, they might be basically like Trump. Except they'd have completely different brains. :laugh:
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