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Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on March 02, 2023, 06:14:19 pm ---Of course, maybe it happened partly because I don't pronounce the "th" in clothes. Does anyone?
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(Raises hand) I do.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 02, 2023, 10:06:06 pm ---(Raises hand) I do.
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Every time you say it, even in a casual manner? If you said, "I wish I'd worn different clothes" there'd be an audible "th"?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on March 02, 2023, 10:55:17 pm ---Every time you say it, even in a casual manner? If you said, "I wish I'd worn different clothes" there'd be an audible "th"?
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Yes. I can't imagine pronouncing it "close."
As for audibility, I suppose you might have to be standing "close" ( ;) ) to me, but the "th" is there.
I make it a point to say Feb-RU-ary, too, instead of Feb-YOU-ary.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 03, 2023, 09:42:43 am ---Yes. I can't imagine pronouncing it "close."
As for audibility, I suppose you might have to be standing "close" ( ;) ) to me, but the "th" is there.
I make it a point to say Feb-RU-ary, too, instead of Feb-YOU-ary.
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I say Feb-RU-ary and nuCLEar and things like that.
But I also say close, kinda, musta, gonna and even occasionally ima (which rappers just spell "ima"). I figure, that's American vernacular.
Do you say "kind of" and "going to"?
Maybe I've inherited my tendencies from my British ancestors, who pronounce words like Worcester as Wustr. Maybe German pronunciation is more exacting.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on March 03, 2023, 01:44:23 pm ---I say Feb-RU-ary and nuCLEar and things like that.
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Doncha just hate it when people say "nook-you-lar"? ;D
--- Quote ---But I also say close, kinda, musta, gonna and even occasionally ima (which rappers just spell "ima"). I figure, that's American vernacular.
Do you say "kind of" and "going to"?
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I would never say "ima" (you mean using it as in "ima gonna go"?). Beyond that, I'd say it depends on the situation. When I speak, "kind of" frequently comes out as something like "kindev." (I'm not sure how to spell that to get the sound across.) And then again it sometimes does come out sounding like "kinda." Similarly, "must have" comes out like a contraction: "must'ev." "Going to" does come out like "gonna," or more likely "gunna," with a "u" sound.
Of course, when I want my writing to "sound" like vernacular speech, I use "kinda."
Incidentally, I once worked with a woman from Pittsburgh. Some of her usages just sounded like what I hear in the central part of the state--but then the southwestern corner of the state received lots of settlers from the middle part of the state, so I suppose some speech patterns persisted.
--- Quote ---Maybe I've inherited my tendencies from my British ancestors, who pronounce words like Worcester as Wustr. Maybe German pronunciation is more exacting.
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Unless, of course, you're from New England. Then it's Wustah. Ain't that right, Paul?
At least the British say "LAN-cast-er," with the emphasis on the first syllable. I frequently hear the name of my home town pronounced "Lan-CAST-er" by people who don't live there.
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