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In the New Yorker...
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 21, 2023, 08:29:41 am ---That I wouldn't know. My point is, back in the day, the Lancaster papers didn't.
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Oh sorry, I didn't get that. You said the combined paper printed both. I thought that was your first mention of op-eds, but I see that you said that when there were multiple papers, one was Democrat and another Republican. Often those labels apply to the stance of the editorials as opposed to the op-eds. For example, my paper and the NYT and the Washington Post all lean left in their editorials (though they probably tried to mix it up now and then by endorsing an occasional Republican back when Republicans were relatively normal). But the op-eds they publish are a mix.
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 21, 2023, 08:31:56 am ---Isn't that part of the pay package? "We're not going to pay you a whole lot, but, hey, you're working for The New Yorker!" ;D
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I suppose, but you can't buy your groceries with prestige. And you couldn't live in NYC for $75,000 a year -- unless, of course, you were also a surgeon or a dean at an Ivy League school.
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 20, 2023, 12:56:35 pm ---Do read Jill Lepore on seed catalogs (March 20). Apparently she's quite fond of beets. :)
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So she is! But beets are minor players in the eating world, perhaps grown mostly for curiosity's sake. They're ugly in and out of the ground but when you go to the effort to clean, pare, and cut them up, they're really beautiful. They taste really good as long as you don't subject them to the "Harvard" treatment. People used to can and pickle them and now most people don't know them any other way.
One of the reasons I don't read seed catalogues is that I get bedazzled by illustrations and copy and order seeds I shouldn't have for plants I shouldn't grow. The only catalogue I receive nowadays is J. L. Hudson's of La Honda, CA, "The Ethnobotanical Catalog of Seeds." It is a no-nonsense black-and-white printed booklet that has been published for more than 100 years.
I thought of you, Kathryn, when Lepore followed up a verbose quote with "Wait, what?" Did she steal from you or is that kind of a journalist thing?
Jeff Wrangler:
With each paper "speaking" to its own constituents without attempting to be "fair and balanced," it was kind of like an antediluvian social network. ;D
Or maybe I should say prelapsarian. ... 8)
--- Quote from: serious crayons on March 21, 2023, 10:23:55 am ---I suppose, but you can't buy your groceries with prestige. And you couldn't live in NYC for $75,000 a year -- unless, of course, you were also a surgeon or a dean at an Ivy League school.
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Yeah, I know, I was just jokin'.
Poor ink-stained wretches. ...
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on March 21, 2023, 12:24:17 pm ---So she is! But beets are minor players in the eating world, perhaps grown mostly for curiosity's sake. They're ugly in and out of the ground but when you go to the effort to clean, pare, and cut them up, they're really beautiful. They taste really good as long as you don't subject them to the "Harvard" treatment. People used to can and pickle them and now most people don't know them any other way.
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I've had Harvard beets. They are abominable. I like pickled beets, but I understand they are very bad for you--an awful lot of salt, like just about anything pickled.
Lepore mentions roasting them (I think it's roasting), and that might be interesting to try.
--- Quote ---One of the reasons I don't read seed catalogues is that I get bedazzled by illustrations and copy and order seeds I shouldn't have for plants I shouldn't grow. The only catalogue I receive nowadays is J. L. Hudson's of La Honda, CA, "The Ethnobotanical Catalog of Seeds." It is a no-nonsense black-and-white printed booklet that has been published for more than 100 years.
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I think she addresses the bedazzlement, too, or sort of.
--- Quote ---I thought of you, Kathryn, when Lepore followed up a verbose quote with "Wait, what?" Did she steal from you or is that kind of a journalist thing?
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I've heard characters on TV shows use that expression.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 21, 2023, 01:18:31 pm ---With each paper "speaking" to its own constituents without attempting to be "fair and balanced," it was kind of like an antediluvian social network. ;D
Or maybe I should say prelapsarian. ... 8)
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Wait, what? :laugh: I'm not following. But to clarify my post, the newspaper political leanings I mentioned were all on the editorial page, not on the news pages. That is, if the newspaper's editorial board endorses a candidate or takes a side in some local partisan issue, they say so in an editorial, not in the news pages. The news reporters make every effort to be fair and balanced, consciously doing their best not to let their reporting favor one candidate or the other, for example. Hence we have situations like Hillary Clinton's dreaded emails in 2016. That was also the DOJ attempting to be fair and balanced (or sumpn') but newspaper reporters, in an effort to be fair to both sides, sometimes go overboard with false equivalencies.
To take one example, the Wall Street Journal's editorial page is famously extremely conservative. But their news coverage is considered balanced and very good.
So it's OK for the editorial page to not be fair and balanced. It's the equivalent of Tucker Carlson -- he can be as unfair and unbalanced as he likes, as can Rachel Maddow, because they're pundits/commentators, not reporters. Of course, regardless they should tell the truth and Tucker clearly does not.
Fox's straight news department was semi-well regarded but it was always teetering on the brink, especially with what the network would let it cover. That has pissed off at least a couple of normal reporters -- Shepard Smith quit right while he was on the air. Chris Wallace recently switched networks; he's a respectable journalist and I've long wondered how he lasted so long.
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