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BBM and Lonesome Dove
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on May 27, 2010, 10:05:46 am ---Hey A, When the Brokies were visiting me a couple of weeks ago, I got to point out the bookstore where you bought your first copy of Lonesome Dove! I loved your visit that weekend.
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Yay! That was very fun indeed. I love that I bought LD at a cool bookstore in good Brokie company!
;D
Brown Eyes:
Earlier this afternoon I was feeling antsy at work, so I took a stroll over to the Natural History museum to check out their "Hall of American Indians" hoping to see some material related to the Comanches. This is the first time that I've explored that part of the museum. But, eventhough it's quite a large set of galleries, I couldn't find any objects related to the Comanches. There were quite a number of objects related to the Crow tribe, which I found interesting... in light of a little bit of a connection to the L.D. series... and such a large amount of material related to the Lakota tribe (a branch of the Sioux mostly associated with the N. and S. Dakota area) that I wondered how/why so much of the material ended up here. My hypothesis is that it might have to do with the fact that the Natural History museum has a long history of paleontology research and exploration in that area... so maybe there's a connection, but I have no idea if that's really the reason. Anyway, there was an extensive display about buffaloes and the importance of buffalo skulls in a lot of different Native American communities.
Does anyone know the nuances and propriety involved in the terms "Native American" vs. "American Indian"? I feel like in a lot of official contexts (museums, etc.) I see the term "American Indian" seeming to be the preferred reference. For instance, the giant collection/ department at the Denver Art Museum is called "American Indian Art."
Front-Ranger:
As I recall, friend, the term American Indian was in vogue up until the 1960s or so when it became more PC to call the tribes by their preferred term of Native American. There were protests, often taking place around Columbus Day, about this by Native Americans. It seems that when Columbus first landed in North America, he thought he had reached the Indian peninsula instead so that's why he called the indigenous peoples Indians.
I was listening to an interview with Robert Duvall tonight on Fresh Air where he said that his favorite roles were in the Godfather movies and Lonesome Dove.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on June 01, 2010, 10:37:01 pm ---As I recall, friend, the term American Indian was in vogue up until the 1960s or so when it became more PC to call the tribes by their preferred term of Native American. There were protests, often taking place around Columbus Day, about this by Native Americans. It seems that when Columbus first landed in North America, he thought he had reached the Indian peninsula instead so that's why he called the indigenous peoples Indians.
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Hi Sister Mod! Yes, I've always thought the same thing about the term "Indian"... which, is why I'm so surprised to encounter the term "American Indian" used in the context of at least two museums (Denver and the Natural History Museum here). I'm sure that the curatorial departments in both places try to be as sensitive and current as possible... so it's kind of perplexing to me. I guess in a way both terms "American Indian" and "Native American" imply colonization when you think about it, since even the word/concept "American" only came about as a result of European settlement and encroachment/ historical reference - and since neither term distinguishes the often very different tribes/nations.
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I was listening to an interview with Robert Duvall tonight on Fresh Air where he said that his favorite roles were in the Godfather movies and Lonesome Dove.
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He was so awesome as Gus.
**Spoiler** I can't quite imagine how Streets of Laredo will be without Gus... he's such a vibrant, staple character.
Brown Eyes:
Heya! I was just reading Streets of Laredo before bed and discovered this little passage that kind of blew me away in terms of BBM relevance. Things like this really make me curious about how much influence McMurtry had over certain BBM scenes... it really feels like he put his own major stamp on the interpretation of the story. I wonder how much of an interesting back story there may be here in terms of the Proulx/McMurtry dynamic (rivalry, admiration... a combo of both).
"Pea Eye tried to think of something more to say, but failed. He had never been a man of many words... Hundreds of Lorie's looks, like this one, left him baffled.
"See you for supper," he said, finally.
"If you don't show up, I'll know you changed your mind," Lorena said...
All the same, loping across the plains, he dreaded the meeting he was riding to. ..."
**possible spoilers**
This exchange reminds me so much (obviously in a different context) of the terse exchange between Ennis and Jack after TS1. This is also a very crucial moment early in the book where Pea Eye is deciding whether or not to join up once again with Call to go on an extended mission to hunt down a bandit (a Mexican bandit)... which would leave his wife and children alone and vulnerable.
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