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injest:
It was writing off people and events as evil that allowed the ugliness of the world to go unchecked for centuries.
It was only when we started asking the question, "Why?" that we actually discovered that maybe evil is a myth, maybe there is only hurt and pain, and maybe something can be done about that. Perhaps if we keep looking and are clever enough, we may discover no one need ever hurt so badly that they must make the rest of us suffer too
I completely disagree. There are truly evil people in the world that hurt others purely because they want to and will use people asking 'why' to continue causing pain.
Treat if you want to but remove them from the general population. The kids that are not psychotic shouldn't have to suffer at the hands of these people. Society should not have to suffer them. Sending someone like these two to 'anger management' and letting them continue in school as if nothing is wrong harms the other kids.
Do you really think 'understanding' Jeffery Dahmer would have stopped him? would it comfort his victims? what about Manson? does 'understanding him' make him safer? would you have him living in your apartment building? would you have him teaching at a school? I mean if he is just 'sick' and needs a little love and understanding why not?
it is all well and good to be all bleeding heart. Seems a shame we are willing to sacrifice hundreds of kids so a handful of EVIL people can be 'understood'
what have we learned from Colombine? and would the parents of the kids that died be willing to have the lessons NOT be learned and have their kids back alive? if these boys had been put in "reform school" like they used to put people like this (back in the bad ol days) those kids would still be alive.
I don't' think the lessons and the 'learning why' were worth it.
but that's just my opinion. I am sure others think that protecting psychos are much more important
Clyde-B:
Understanding does not absolve responsibility, it does not make the dangerous less so, it does not mean that they should not be isolated from the rest of society, but it is the first step in helping them to have meaningful lives for themselves, if that is what they want. There was a time when rapists were not treatable, where pedophiles were not treatable. That is no longer true, if they wish to change their lives, many can.
That wouldn't be true if we simply kept writing them off as evil.
I'd like to see your proof that there is evil in the world, but I'd rather hope that we will continue to increase the number of people that can have rewarding lives like everybody else.
If you want to see the world as an ugly hopeless place, that is your choice.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on April 21, 2009, 07:44:43 pm --- Understanding does not absolve responsibility, it does not make the dangerous less so, it does not mean that they should not be isolated from the rest of society, but it is the first step in helping them to have meaningful lives for themselves, if that is what they want. There was a time when rapists were not treatable, where pedophiles were not treatable. That is no longer true, if they wish to change their lives, many can.
That wouldn't be true if we simply kept writing them off as evil.
I'd like to see your proof that there is evil in the world, but I'd rather hope that we will continue to increase the number of people that can have rewarding lives like everybody else.
If you want to see the world as an ugly hopeless place, that is your choice.
--- End quote ---
I agree. To use the word evil when it comes to human beings is way too easy. Much easier than dealing with complex, difficult issues for example.
injest:
Understanding does not absolve responsibility, it does not make the dangerous less so, it does not mean that they should not be isolated from the rest of society, but it is the first step in helping them to have meaningful lives for themselves, if that is what they want. There was a time when rapists were not treatable, where pedophiles were not treatable. That is no longer true, if they wish to change their lives, many can.
That wouldn't be true if we simply kept writing them off as evil.
I'd like to see your proof that there is evil in the world, but I'd rather hope that we will continue to increase the number of people that can have rewarding lives like everybody else.
If you want to see the world as an ugly hopeless place, that is your choice.
really? pedophilia is treatable? prove it. Everything I have ever read said it wasnt'.
and what do you do when people DON"T want to live happy productive lives?
I will continue living my life, if you choose to believe that the whole world is wonderful and the guy that buried a little girl alive was just a misunderstood man in pain...and if you could just wrap your arms around him for a minute, he'd never hurt anyone ever again...
::)
injest:
I agree. To use the word evil when it comes to human beings is way too easy. Much easier than dealing with complex, difficult issues for example.
no, blaming yourself is easier. It is called codependency. you think that if you would just try a little harder everyone would be nice.
it is harder to be a grownup. to require people take responsibility for their OWN actions.
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