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injest:
Whut? I can´t answer that argument because I haven´t written any of the things you are arguing against.
I know...it is a startling thing isn't it? for someone to call a spade a spade. YOUR theory that if ONLY we tried to understand better then people wouldn't be mean!
I know it is hard..but think about this for a minute...if that were true..then wouldn't it be OUR fault they acted bad? we shoulda been more understanding.
we could change 'victim' counseling...start in 'domestic abuse' clinics...tell the women if they would be more understanding those nice misunderstood men wouldnt hit them. It's not the MEN'S fault. They are helpless before society's cruel refusal to see their pain...
Monika:
--- Quote from: injest on April 21, 2009, 08:48:51 pm ---Whut? I can´t answer that argument because I haven´t written any of the things you are arguing against.
I know...it is a startling thing isn't it? for someone to call a spade a spade. YOUR theory that if ONLY we tried to understand better then people wouldn't be mean!
I know it is hard..but think about this for a minute...if that were true..then wouldn't it be OUR fault they acted bad? we shoulda been more understanding.
we could change 'victim' counseling...start in 'domestic abuse' clinics...tell the women if they would be more understanding those nice misunderstood men wouldnt hit them. It's not the MEN'S fault. They are helpless before society's cruel refusal to see their pain...
--- End quote ---
The point in trying to understand is that it will help us to prevent similar things from happening again. You don´t fix a problem by standing around, pointing at it and calling it bad or evil. You fix it by looking closer, trying to understand what triggered it.
What would make the world better is if we could prevent certain things from happening at all, not just too stand around the victim afterwards and point at the culprit and shout "evil". By that time the damage has already been done.
Pointing at people and calling them "evil" doesn´t help with anything. I believe in the justice system though, but that has nothing to do with pointing out people as being good or evil. IMO, the justice system should be abovet that kind of religious mumbo jumbo.
injest:
The point in trying to understand is that it will help us to prevent similar things from happening again. You don´t fix a problem by standing around, pointing at it and calling it bad or evil. You fix it by looking closer, trying to understand what triggered it.
What would make the world better is if we could prevent certain things from happening at all, not just too stand around the victim afterwards and point at the culprit and shout "evil". By that time the damage has already been done.
Pointing at people and calling them "evil" doesn´t help with anything. I believe in the justice system though, but that has nothing to do with pointing out people as being good or evil. IMO, the justice system should be abovet that kind of religious mumbo jumbo.
no, evil is NOT religious...and you dont' 'just stand around'...that is YOUR position...stand around and stare at your navel "what have I done to make this person attack that person"
My position is to say "this person is bad, he needs to be removed from society so he won't hurt people that are just trying to live their lives"
this whole 'there is no good or bad' mess is why we are in the state we are in. It is YOUR philosophy that allowed those boys to kill those 13. MY philosophy would have had those EVIL boys in lockup where they couldn't hurt anyone but themselves. They should have been locked up and treated there...not left free to ravage other childrens lives.
Monika:
--- Quote from: injest on April 21, 2009, 09:22:22 pm ---
this whole 'there is no good or bad' mess is why we are in the state we are in. It is YOUR philosophy that allowed those boys to kill those 13. MY philosophy would have had those EVIL boys in lockup where they couldn't hurt anyone but themselves. They should have been locked up and treated there...not left free to ravage other childrens lives.
--- End quote ---
My philosophy is that if, perhaps, someone would have listened to those boys or paid a little more attention to them, they wouldn't have killed those 13 at all.
Exactly how could you have known in advance that those two boys would do what they did? Or do you think you alone can decide which people are evil or not before they have actually done the deed?
Through measuring their scull sizes? Or based on what type of noses they have, perhaps?
I think the word "evil" is loaded with religious meaning, and that's why I don't like it.
There are other words I prefer.
I do think the society has a collective responability. That is not the same thing as saying that the individual has none.
injest:
are you familiar with the situation at all??
they had great parents. they weren't bullied. They had been in trouble before for hurting other people.
their parents DID try to help them. They were in the system.
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