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Why is the "dozy embrace" in the film?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on July 26, 2006, 09:44:50 pm --- (Both the motel scene and the dozy embrace look very comforting to me.) Do other people see the position in the same way?
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Count me in! (Another example is TS3.) I realize there are lots of reasons to believe Ennis is uncomfortable about his relationship with Jack, but IMO these holding positions are not among them. In fact, very little about his body language with Jack reads that way to me. Despite all his reservations, when he's actually with Jack he almost always seems very happy to me.
Katie77:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on July 26, 2006, 09:44:50 pm ---You know, despite the whole not-looking-face-to-face metaphor, the sort of spooning position (standing, sitting, lying down, whatever) has the connotation of "protection" or "comfort" or "safety" to me. (Both the motel scene and the dozy embrace look very comforting to me.) Do other people see the position in the same way?
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Yeah you got it......comforting, protecting......standing as one.....to me is as intimate as if they are making love.....
Brown Eyes:
Well, in terms of the timing/ placement of the flashback in the film/ story... I think the decision came down to the "bookend" idea... the beginning and the end of the relationship and also the comparison and contrast between the hugs.
Although, this does seem quite important (maybe?)... the flashback in the story seems to be positioned slightly differently from the film. The flashback in the story does seem to come at the very end of the "argument scene" and before a break in the story (and even a break in how the type is set on the page) after which Ennis receives the "deceased" postcard. So, it seems (at least in how I read the longer version of BBM in Proulx's Close Range) the flashback is positioned in line with how Samrim would prefer to see it in the movie.
Lee, very interestingly, seems to have decided to move the flashback up just a tiny bit so that it interrupts the argument. I still think this is simply to help encourage a lingering sense of ambiguity as to how the boys concluded the hug/ heated-conversation. But, this might be a really important gesture on the part of the filmmakers.
dly64:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on July 26, 2006, 09:44:50 pm ---You know, despite the whole not-looking-face-to-face metaphor, the sort of spooning position (standing, sitting, lying down, whatever) has the connotation of "protection" or "comfort" or "safety" to me. (Both the motel scene and the dozy embrace look very comforting to me.) Do other people see the position in the same way?
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You are right ... they are spooning and it is comforting and loving. But, in all those scenes, Ennis is not looking at Jack face- to-face. It is the most intimate moments where Ennis is holding/ spooning Jack. I don’t want to belabor this issue, because I know there are completely opposing views. IMO, it makes a statement about who Ennis is. Ennis is a person with a lot of fear and denial. He loves Jack … but to admit that to himself would mean that he accepts his homosexuality. Ennis is unable to “face” a lot of things. Certainly his sexuality is a big issue. So, whether or not you take the statement that Ennis “… does not want to see or feel that it is Jack he holds …” literally is debatable. However, to look at it metaphorically makes a lot of sense. Just a thought!
bbm_stitchbuffyfan:
Brilliant, dly, and very touching.
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