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First I've heard of this...warning - gruesome
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on April 04, 2009, 04:03:19 pm --- I would assume the reporters read the case files (when they are public) themselves.
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Criminal files are always public. Reporters generally do read the files themselves if they are going to write about them. It's not always practical for reporters to go through every single criminal case that ever gets filed. So they depend, sometimes, on the police to tell them about newsworthy cases. But once that happens, the reporters read the file. And police don't normally try to hide newsworthy cases from the reporters.
I can't imagine either the police or the news media deliberately conspiring to hush up cases of male rape. Why would they? What would be the motive? If this were ever to happen, there'd be a Pulitzer in it for anybody who uncovered it.
The only explanations that make sense to me are 1) it doesn't happen that often 2) when it does happen, the victims, if they're living, often don't report it, 3) when they do report it, it doesn't get a lot of attention. Even rapes of women only get a lot of media attention when the case is already high profile because the victim mysteriously disappeared, or because the rapist is related to the Kennedys, or something like that.
RouxB:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 04, 2009, 05:29:49 pm ---Criminal files are always public. Reporters generally do read the files themselves if they are going to write about them. It's not always practical for reporters to go through every single criminal case that ever gets filed. So they depend, sometimes, on the police to tell them about newsworthy cases. But once that happens, the reporters read the file. And police don't normally try to hide newsworthy cases from the reporters.
I can't imagine either the police or the news media deliberately conspiring to hush up cases of male rape. Why would they? What would be the motive? If this were ever to happen, there'd be a Pulitzer in it for anybody who uncovered it.
The only explanations that make sense to me are 1) it doesn't happen that often 2) when it does happen, the victims, if they're living, often don't report it, 3) when they do report it, it doesn't get a lot of attention. Even rapes of women only get a lot of media attention when the case is already high profile because the victim mysteriously disappeared, or because the rapist is related to the Kennedys, or something like that.
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Only about 10% of rapes (of women) are reported to law enforcement so even if all reported cases hit the media (which they don't), it would still not be representative of the number of assaults that occur.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: enjaRouxB on April 04, 2009, 06:28:25 pm ---Only about 10% of rapes (of women) are reported to law enforcement so even if all reported cases hit the media (which they don't), it would still not be representative of the number of assaults that occur.
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And if the figure for women is 10 percent, you can imagine for men it must be much, much lower.
RouxB:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 04, 2009, 04:25:11 pm ---enja was saying burglars are burglars, you say that they need money is their single motif. But I disagree, rapists can also rob. Burglars can also murder. They don't have a single motif.
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I think I am being a bit broader than you are perhaps. Monika is correctly interpreting my meaning when I say burglars are burglers etc... Property crimes are motivated by the need for money. Breaking and entry/theft/conversion or property are all different counts but the basic crime is the burglary.
in 75% of cases, the rapist and the survivor are acquainted in some way and the majority of assaults happen in the survivors home. It is rape mythology that rapist and victim are unacquainted and that the assault is not planned. This is where the single crime figures in. The majority of rape cases do not involve any other crime non-assault related crime. I review rape stats on a quarterly basis from crisis centers all over the country.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2008prelim/index.html
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: enjaRouxB on April 04, 2009, 06:36:39 pm ---I think I am being a bit broader than you are perhaps. Monika is correctly interpreting my meaning when I say burglars are burglers etc... Property crimes are motivated by the need for money. Breaking and entry/theft/conversion or property are all different counts but the basic crime is the burglary.
in 75% of cases, the rapist and the survivor are acquainted in some way and the majority of assaults happen in the survivors home. It is rape mythology that rapist and victim are unacquainted and that the assault is not planned. This is where the single crime figures in. The majority of rape cases do not involve any other crime non-assault related crime. I review rape stats on a quarterly basis from crisis centers all over the country.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2008prelim/index.html
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I agree, but in the cases where they're not - serial killings, random killings and in the case that I started off this thread with - the couple was carjacked, robbed, raped and murdered. Was this planned? Or just random? Did these guys need the money? Obviously so, otherwise why are they carjacking and why did they rob the couple? But that didn't stop them from continuing their violent activities. What would you call this group of men? Are they carjackers? Are they thieves? The couple did not know the people carjacking/assaulting them. Serial killers and serial rapists don't know the women they attack. These type of criminals can't be pigeonholed so easily.
--- Quote ---he only explanations that make sense to me are 1) it doesn't happen that often 2) when it does happen, the victims, if they're living, often don't report it, 3) when they do report it, it doesn't get a lot of attention. Even rapes of women only get a lot of media attention when the case is already high profile because the victim mysteriously disappeared, or because the rapist is related to the Kennedys, or something like that.
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I spoke w/ my friend the ex-newspaper reporter and she said that if men were raped and murdered, reporters likely wouldn't print the raped part because of the connotation of homosexuality implied might offend the victim's friends/family. I was thinking reporting such a thing might also give some people negative ideas about the local gay community resulting in a witch hunt..
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