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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
injest:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 28, 2009, 11:31:59 pm ---or maybe it says very little?
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I wonder if some in the gay community don't WANT to get past the homophobia...what would they blame for all their problems if they have no one to point to? I mean, right now they can blame their problems on the mean Christians that wont' let them get married (although as Brad points out, few HAVE partners to get married to...)
they continually shoot themselves in the foot....and then scream it is everyone elses fault...until they see the beam in their own eye, they'll never get that mote out of the Christians eyes..
and I am not talking about anyone here, I am talking about the protesters in California.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on April 28, 2009, 11:38:38 pm ---I wonder if some in the gay community don't WANT to get past the homophobia...what would they blame for all their problems if they have no one to point to? I mean, right now they can blame their problems on the mean Christians that wont' let them get married (although as Brad points out, few HAVE partners to get married to...)
they continually shoot themselves in the foot....and then scream it is everyone elses fault...until they see the beam in their own eye, they'll never get that mote out of the Christians eyes..
and I am not talking about anyone here, I am talking about the protesters in California.
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interesting question, but I sincerely believe that by overwhelming margins, gays just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity with a minimal amount of interference from the government, churches, neighbors, community leaders or activists.
there is that so called SMOG vote / opinion that no one seems be able to get a handle on.
SMOG - silent majority of gays
injest:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 28, 2009, 11:42:31 pm ---interesting question, but I sincerely believe that by overwhelming margins, gays just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity with a minimal amount of interference from the government, churches, neighbors, community leaders or activists.
there is that so called SMOG vote / opinion that no one seems be able to get a handle on.
SMOG - silent majority of gays
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that's what I said..SOME in the community...
Lynne:
--- Quote from: injest on April 28, 2009, 11:38:38 pm ---I wonder if some in the gay community don't WANT to get past the homophobia...what would they blame for all their problems if they have no one to point to? I mean, right now they can blame their problems on the mean Christians that wont' let them get married (although as Brad points out, few HAVE partners to get married to...)
they continually shoot themselves in the foot....and then scream it is everyone elses fault...until they see the beam in their own eye, they'll never get that mote out of the Christians eyes..
and I am not talking about anyone here, I am talking about the protesters in California.
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Well, as usual, I don't agree. In my opinion, even if not one single gay person actually wanted to get married, it's still wrong (again IMO) from a legal standpoint to discriminate based on sexual orientation...whether we're talking about marriage rights or any other. The right should be there, period. Take advantage of it (or not) at your own discretion.
This argument is analogous (again, and growing tiresome) to freeing the slaves during the Civil War Era. Do you think most slaves wanted to be free? Many/most could not conceive of any other way of life; most were illiterate. Who would take care of them? How would they earn a living? They knew no other life but one of slavery. A few had the imagination, and likely some education, to dream of a life of freedom, but that was a minority, I am confident.
So should we just have continued keeping other human beings as property? I think not. It was a long hard road for everyone, particularly the newly freed slaves, and we're not even finished with it yet because minorities only enjoy full civil rights in name only in many parts of this country.
Still, it was worth doing. Wasn't it? I think so.
injest:
--- Quote from: Lynne on April 29, 2009, 12:15:26 am ---Well, as usual, I don't agree. In my opinion, even if not one single gay person actually wanted to get married, it's still wrong (again IMO) from a legal standpoint to discriminate based on sexual orientation...whether we're talking about marriage rights or any other. The right should be there, period. Take advantage of it (or not) at your own discretion.
This argument is analogous (again, and growing tiresome) to freeing the slaves during the Civil War Era. Do you think most slaves wanted to be free? Many/most could not conceive of any other way of life; most were illiterate. Who would take care of them? How would they earn a living? They knew no other life but one of slavery. A few had the imagination, and likely some education, to dream of a life of freedom, but that was a minority, I am confident.
So should we just have continued keeping other human beings as property? I think not. It was a long hard road for everyone, particularly the newly freed slaves, and we're not even finished with it yet because minorities only enjoy full civil rights in name only in many parts of this country.
Still, it was worth doing. Wasn't it? I think so.
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I reject the notion that Prop 8 is equal to oking slavery. Sorry. it is an invalid arguement to me.
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