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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
delalluvia:
Great post Gary.
oilgun:
--- Quote from: garycottle on April 29, 2009, 05:43:14 am ---[...]
It is one thing to suggest to gay people that they should put their best foot forward, while understanding that given the diversity of the group in question, those best foots aren’t all going to look the same, and, once again, given the diversity of the group in question, not everyone is going to play the game so well, but it is quite another thing to tell gay people they should become sycophants like many successful politicians and beauty queens. You could call those who want to make such an effort the Sycophantic Sexual Minorities Party – SSMP. I don’t much care for this approach, so I won’t be signing up. I prefer people be themselves, even if they are unpopular. It’s been my experience that politicians and beauty queens may sometimes win their crowns, but a lot of people don’t seem to like many politicians and beauty queens. And I think that’s because they’re sycophants, i.e. phonies, and in time most can see them for the suck ups that they are.
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What a great post Gary! It should be featured on the front page as post of the week/month or something. I love how you equate gays trying to get acceptance from (straight) society with beauty pageant contestants. As an out gay person I've often felt the burden of representing the "Gay Community". It leads to self-censorship, in both actions and words, which is basically just a different kind of closet.
As for Perez Hilton, I always thought he was an annoying twit, even back when he was a cute twink ;-). Because of his (inexplicable) celebrity status, a small part of me wishes he presented a more "acceptable" (ie: more manly?) image of gay people "to help the cause", but I realize that this comes from internalized homophobia. The same homophobia that made me cringe everytime the queenie one opened his mouth on Queer Eye. :-\ Few of us raised in a patriarchal Christian society are immune to that unfortunately.
louisev:
--- Quote from: oilgun on April 29, 2009, 11:30:35 am ---
As for Perez Hilton, I always thought he was an annoying twit, even back when he was a cute twink ;-). Because of his (inexplicable) celebrity status, a small part of me wishes he presented a more "acceptable" (ie: more manly?) image of gay people "to help the cause", but I realize that this comes from internalized homophobia. The same homophobia that made me cringe everytime the queenie one opened his mouth on Queer Eye. :-\ Few of us raised in a patriarchal Christian society are immune to that unfortunately.
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wait, this is shocking - Mario was cute once? Do you have proof?
milomorris:
--- Quote from: oilgun on April 29, 2009, 11:30:35 am ---As for Perez Hilton, I always thought he was an annoying twit, even back when he was a cute twink ;-). Because of his (inexplicable) celebrity status, a small part of me wishes he presented a more "acceptable" (ie: more manly?) image of gay people "to help the cause", but I realize that this comes from internalized homophobia. The same homophobia that made me cringe everytime the queenie one opened his mouth on Queer Eye. :-\ Few of us raised in a patriarchal Christian society are immune to that unfortunately.
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Are you sure that you're cringing because these guys are homosexuals?? Or are you cringing because they flamboyantly effeminate?? If its the former, then you might be right about internalized homophobia. If its the latter, then its simply a distaste for effeminacy.
Personally, when I see a homosexual character on TV or in the movies who is not effeminate, I actually feel uplifted. Its the effeminate characters that make me cringe.
CellarDweller:
--- Quote from: garycottle on April 29, 2009, 05:32:34 pm ---To tell you the truth, I had never even heard of Perez Hilton before this thing with Miss. California popped up. Maybe I'm living in my own little world. :laugh:
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You're not missing much.
He's kinda similar to the person with the name he took as his own (Paris Hilton), famous for nothing. He deals in gossip, and because of his catty comments that some people found funny, he became a celeb as well.
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