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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
louisev:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 30, 2009, 10:38:26 pm ---no I do not know that your opinion is a fact, and I can't see how you would know it without making assumptions that are divorced from her ENTIRE STATEMENT THAT EVENING.
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maybe she watched the video in that link? Prejean was pretty blatant about her position as a celebrity spokesperson for National Organization for Marriage.
oilgun:
--- Quote from: louisev on April 30, 2009, 05:43:42 pm ---can you please bring your loud condemnations of femininity and effeminacy BACK to your blog? That has nothing to do with this topic about gay marriage and the Miss USA pageant at ALL.
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I disagree, the discussion about effeminacy evolved organically from Gary's excellent post. And besides, how much more can be said about that Born-again-Bimbo-with-the- fake-boobs- that-the-Miss-California-organization-paid-for. Is that on topic enough for you, lol!
Nobody here is condemming feminity in women but society sure condemns feminity in men.
Milo: Effeminacy = weak = being like a woman often referred to by knuckle-draggers as the weaker sex. That's why it's called effeminacy.
Injest: Thanks for supporting my position by saying men love tomboys, lol! :-*
Ok I'm done in this thread, I don't want to be banned. I obviously missed the prior discussion on this subject, where was it?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 30, 2009, 10:38:26 pm ---no I do not know that your opinion is a fact, and I can't see how you would know it without making assumptions that are divorced from her ENTIRE STATEMENT THAT EVENING.
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What Louise said. She's quoted in what she plans to do.
Sorry Bill but her belief that marriage is between a man and woman only in her "country" in her earlier statement is now pretty obviously a Freudian slip. She doesn't suddenly decide to go national in her beliefs, if they're just deep and personal beliefs for her and her little circle and she's "glad everyone else has choice". She's obviously not glad "everyone else has choice". That was obviously political talk while she was trying to win a crown. Competition's over. In fact she doesn't believe what she said, so much so, she's going to do her level best to end the choice for gay people. Just like Mel Gibson's drunken anti-Semitic rants. These don't just suddenly appear out of nowhere.
You can keep giving her the benefit of the doubt if you wish, but just as Gary predicted in his post, sooner or later the leopard shows her spots.
retropian:
--- Quote from: oilgun on April 29, 2009, 08:19:29 pm ---Effeminate men are usually assumed to be homosexual until proven straight, so the way I see it , a distaste for effeminacy IS homophobia. It's all part of that patriarchal system where men have a higher social standing, So when a man is perceived to be acting like a woman, he is "debasing" himself and conversely, women who act like men are actually worthy of respect for attempting to elevate their status.
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Yup. Well said.
oilgun:
--- Quote from: retropian on April 30, 2009, 10:55:55 pm ---Yup. Well said.
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:-* :-* :-* ;)
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