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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: injest on May 02, 2009, 05:02:33 pm ---yep. very few bigots want to give up their beliefs and understand what they're actually saying, especially if that bigotry is based on the victimhood they have been taught all their lifes.
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Because of course, they've never been victimized before, right?
--- Quote ---So while IMO they're trying to defend an untenable position, they will still try to do it and, I guess, hope that other people will be hesitant to criticize believing that someone's political correct worldview is some sort of sacred cow no one should criticize
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Interesting that you consider equal rights for gays to be a 'politically correct worldview', Jess. You and Bill may consider bigotry against gays to be something only the PC correct crowd protests against, but I don't.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 03, 2009, 12:56:28 pm ---Interesting that you consider equal rights for gays to be a 'politically correct worldview', Jess. You and Bill may consider bigotry against gays to be something only the PC correct crowd protests against, but I don't.
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Well it is indeed a PC crowd value. That doesn't mean that they are exclusive in this regard. There are other groups that feel this way too. Quakers for example. Even parts of denominations like Episcopalians, United Methodists, and Presbyterians are embracing the concept of equal rights for sexual minorities.
And that's a good thing, because the more this is about an imbalance in civil rights, the more solidly our efforts can move forward.
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 03, 2009, 12:56:28 pm ---Because of course, they've never been victimized before, right?
Interesting that you consider equal rights for gays to be a 'politically correct worldview', Jess. You and Bill may consider bigotry against gays to be something only the PC correct crowd protests against, but I don't.
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I dont think that everyone (including some gay people) that think that a marriage like straights have are the be all and end all of existence to be bigots...believe it or not there are other issues that some gay people are interested in. and not all gay people want to be married. so please stop speaking for everyone.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: injest on May 03, 2009, 03:37:08 pm ---I dont think that everyone (including some gay people) that think that a marriage like straights have are the be all and end all of existence to be bigots...believe it or not there are other issues that some gay people are interested in. and not all gay people want to be married. so please stop speaking for everyone.
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*sigh* It doesn't matter if all the gay people want to be married or not. What matters is that they are people who should have the choice whether they want to use it or not.
Consider voting. Just because some people don't want to vote doesn't mean that some people shouldn't have the right to vote.
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 03, 2009, 07:23:43 pm ---*sigh* It doesn't matter if all the gay people want to be married or not. What matters is that they are people who should have the choice whether they want to use it or not.
Consider voting. Just because some people don't want to vote doesn't mean that some people shouldn't have the right to vote.
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but some people would feel that having the right to not be sold to be more pressing then the right to vote and THOSE people have a right to their belief that voting isn't as important to them and the right to say so!
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