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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 03, 2009, 12:56:28 pm --- Jess. You and Bill may consider bigotry against gays to be something only the PC correct crowd protests against, but I don't.
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I don't speak for Jess, but IMO the PC crowd is only tangentially concerned about equal treatment under the law for gays or anyone else for that matter. The secular religion called "Political Correctness" is primarily concerned with establishing and wielding power and control, esp over those whom they have identified as being Politically Incorrect. Some of the techniques the PC crowd uses are censorship and vilification of their targeted enemies, esp when it helps them fundraise in order to manipulate the electoral system.
IMO it is absurdly naive to judge the PC crowd by their stated goals of tolerance and inclusion - the stated goals of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "sounded" on the whole to be admirable, and naive fools in the West were for a time conned into giving support for Marxism.
PC should to be judged only how it limits liberty and freedom of speech, how it treats individuals, and how it fosters the tyranny of the unelected bureaucracy where it has been implemented.
injest:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on May 03, 2009, 07:58:50 pm ---I don't speak for Jess, but IMO the PC crowd is only tangentially concerned about equal treatment under the law for gays or anyone else for that matter. The secular religion called "Political Correctness" is primarily concerned with establishing and wielding power and control, esp over those whom they have identified as being Politically Incorrect. Some of the techniques the PC crowd uses are censorship and vilification of their targeted enemies, esp when it helps them fundraise in order to manipulate the electoral system.
IMO it is absurdly naive to judge the PC crowd by their stated goals of tolerance and inclusion - the stated goals of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "sounded" on the whole to be admirable, and naive fools in the West were for a time conned into giving support for Marxism.
PC should to be judged only how it limits liberty and freedom of speech, how it treats individuals, and how it fosters the tyranny of the unelected bureaucracy where it has been implemented.
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You dont understand, Brokeplex...see, freedom is in very limited supply; so the only way the PC crowd can achieve freedom for THEIR friends is to take freedom from other people.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: injest on May 03, 2009, 08:08:18 pm ---You dont understand, Brokeplex...see, freedom is in very limited supply; so the only way the PC crowd can achieve freedom for THEIR friends is to take freedom from other people.
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The concept that "liberty" is a zero sum game is the hallmark of tyrannies and those who advocate tyranny. All of the tyrannies in modern history have stated goals that their constituents lauded as noble, it doesn't surprise me that the 21st century PC crowd somehow have deluded themselves into believing that they advocate more freedom.
louisev:
The only person I have seen suggest that "liberty is a zero sum game" here is Jess. So are you saying you are against equal marriage rights for gay couples, Brokeplex? How about you, Jess? Are you against equal marriage rights for gay couples?
injest:
this isnt' about gay marriage, it is about being free to have your own opinion. It is about free speech.
and I have asked you before NOT to use my name. I have a screen name you may use. Thank you.
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