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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 05, 2009, 08:52:24 pm ---sorry delluvia, the circles you are spinning in are just not registering. If she "believes" in male/female marriage, that is an opinion. For you to hate and/or dislike her for that, you have defined bigotry by virtue of your own post.
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So you're not going to comment on Miss CA's belief that some people don't deserve civil rights the same as her is a problem?
What distinction are you trying to make? She gave her opinion that she believes that the only marriage the country should have is male/female. What's not bigoted about that?
--- Quote ---Prejean specifically stated she recognizes other opinions on the matter and knows there are differing views; your position, obviously, refuses to allow her the view she holds, and that is bigotry.
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She said she was 'glad people have a choice' but she didn't really mean that since she just became a spokesperson for this marriage group to spearhead man/woman only marriage.
Again, she is being bigoted.
--- Quote ---And why do you conveniently not respond to the fact that Mr. Obama holds the same opinion as Ms Prejean?
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Because no one brought it up? Yep. I'm unhappy with him about that. Luckily he does believe in civil unions - I have my doubts about what Miss CA believes about that - and that wasn't the only reason I voted for him because McCain had a similar opinion about gays.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 05, 2009, 09:26:44 pm ---It helps any debate to be honest. Where did Prejean say "people don't deserve civil rights the same as her"? You made that up.
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Are you being tediously literal on purpose? What do you THINK she meant by saying marriage should only be between a man and a woman?
--- Quote ---IIf giving an opinion that is different than your own makes one a bigot
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And no one here has made this claim, so stop trying to make this something it's not. It's not that she expressed her opinion. She made it, no one is arguing that she shouldn't have been free to express her opinion. It's what her opinion was that's at issue.
--- Quote ---"she didn't really mean that..." You CAN'T be serious. this is getting laughable that now you are making up what Prejean really means based on your own biases. Wow.
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Hmmm, she said she she was 'glad people have a choice'. And now she's spokesperson for a group that wants to take choice away from gay people. So are you saying that she can be glad that something exists while trying to take that same thing away at the same time?
--- Quote ---I brought Obama up twice.
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Sorry Herr, guess I wasn't paying attention to your post. ;D
--- Quote ---All you can say is you're "unhappy" with him? Why not treat him the same way you are treating Prejean--call him a bigot, talk about what he "really" means when he refers to civil rights, etc.
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For myself, because Obama is a politician. And he didn't go to a fundamentalist Christian college. So I'm willing to be 'unhappy with him' instead of outright outraged because chances are fairly good that his opinion on gay marriage was politically expedient. Unlike Miss CA.
louisev:
Obama has made no secret of the fact that he will throw the weight of the bully pulpit behind the repeal of DADT and DOMA and to support civil rights legislation across the board. And that is a vastly different opinion from that of the National Organization for Marriage who believe that if gays get to marry then they'll spread gay all over little kids and teach them how to be gay.
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 05, 2009, 08:08:16 pm ---So, that means, you didn't read that part?
Heh, Miss CA is not Catholic and PLEASE tell me you weren't just comparing a bimbo's half-naked model shots with real ART.
I was being positive. She's a bigot who needs to be criticized as much as possible so people like her don't keep trying to keep gays 'in their place'. She tried to hide behind her religion, but now it seems her hypocrisy is making her piety a laughing stock.
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so people like her? do you even realize how you sound? How is bigotry so wrong for her but not for you?
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 05, 2009, 08:09:52 pm ---But it sure has a lot about women being modest and being seen and not heard... 8)
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aha!! so this has nothing to do with her comments about gay marriage. You are after her because she is a Christian...got it..
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