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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 25, 2009, 07:50:49 pm ---[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTCZupFCvc[/youtube]
Miss California Responds on Campbell Brown
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I notice she avoided the question that the previous Miss CA, an ordained pastor, told her she was wrong about the bible. She skipped over that and went on to say she was 'true' to her faith. She doesn't acknowledge at all she is wrong about her faith or what the bible says.
How embarrassing for her that her ignorance is showing.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 25, 2009, 08:22:21 pm ---I will defer to your superior knowledge of "pageantry", but I can assure you that very few Americans believe that Miss USA or Miss America represent them. :)
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Oh, I agree, but unfortunately, we're not everyone.
--- Quote ---There is reaching and there is "REACHING". In this case, Prejean immediately qualified her remarks and has subsequently continued to NOT opine that same sex marriage should be illegal. So, I am giving her a small "reach" and a small benefit of a doubt. However, if she had unqualifiedly stated she was against same sex marriage, we would be having a different conversation.
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Called 'damage control'.
--- Quote ---IMO the only way for your point to be valid is to assume that she DID NOT know at the time of her initial statement that same sex marriage is now available in a handful of states. If she believed that same sex marriage was illegal in all 50 states, then your point is valid.
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So, she's just ignorant and a bigot?
--- Quote ---And as far as the Lavandeira calling Prejean names such as C*** AND B****, that is not a reflection of justifiable or excusable outrage, it is simply a reflection of an arrogant mentality that is not interested in dialog.
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He did not call her that onstage. It wasn't until after. And honestly, Bill is there any chance of dialogue with someone believes you don't deserve the same rights as they?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 25, 2009, 08:27:54 pm ---
1) So, she's just ignorant and a bigot?
2) And honestly, Bill is there any chance of dialogue with someone believes you don't deserve the same rights as they?
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1) I don't know, but I do think that there are groups of people who are assuming a great deal about her, with few facts, in order to demonize her. As I said, I am giving her, because of her qualified statements, a small benefit of the doubt.
2) The question assumes that they understand that we are talking about "rights", they genuinely may not understand this, and may upon understanding change their minds. But, the tactics and outbursts of people like Lavandeira make this process MUCH more difficult.
karen1129:
Oh, she'll be fine.
;)
Hell, she can become the spokesperson for the Proposition 8 people.
:laugh:
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 25, 2009, 05:14:24 pm ---You can have a different opinion Jess. Doesn't mean a differing opinion can't be bigoted.
Let's put her words another way and you tell me if she's bigoted or not.
"I am glad black people have the choice to vote in this country, but I personally, no offense to anyone, think voting should only belong to white people, that's the way I was raised."
She smiles, the crowd applauds. ::)
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I think it is a mistake to compare race with sexual orientation. (feel free to call me bigoted)
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