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Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on April 25, 2009, 08:35:12 pm ---1) I don't know, but I do think that there are groups of people who are assuming a great deal about her, with few facts, in order to demonize her. As I said, I am giving her, because of her qualified statements, a small benefit of the doubt.
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Well she has come out several times and said she was just being honest, and so I have no reason to doubt her honesty and thus the fact that she is indeed, a bigot.
--- Quote ---2) The question assumes that they understand that we are talking about "rights", they genuinely may not understand this, and may upon understanding change their minds. But, the tactics and outbursts of people like Lavandeira make this process MUCH more difficult.
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It already is a hard process Bill. She doesn't have any reasonable understanding of why she believes what she believes. They are all based on her religious beliefs - which, as that pastor pointed out - are already skewed. Her brand of religion teaches her that gay people are abominations and thus are not 'normal' people. Thus, she feels that only what is normal is what should be allowed.
This isn't anything you can reason with. She has to make the decision to overcome her learned bigotry or she will continue to hold onto these beliefs, illogical though they are.
injest:
she has a right to her beliefs. You can disagree that doesnt' make HER a bigot...that makes YOU intolerant.
injest:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
--- Quote ---Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
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I dont see a lot of hatred or intolerance in her comments. She merely stated what SHE believes...she made it clear IMO that she was talking for her own circle.
Katie77:
I would not call her a bigot. Its more that she believes what she has been taught, and is honest enough to be honest about it.
In the description of bigot...it mentions "hatred" and "intollerance".....from what I can see she has not mentioned or acted with either.
There are many subjects that people have formed an opinion of, because they believe in what they have been taught or what they have read, from flying saucers, evolution or whether white bread is better than brown bread.
Whether she learnt it from the bible, or read it in a dietry book she like most of us form an opinion and believe it, and we state our belief if we are asked, just like she did.
It doesnt make her a bigot.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: injest on April 25, 2009, 11:40:42 pm ---she has a right to her beliefs. You can disagree that doesnt' make HER a bigot...that makes YOU intolerant.
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Yes. She can believe whatever she likes. But sorry Jess her religious beliefs do make her a bigot because they're about keeping other people from having their civil rights.
You need to ask yourself why she doesn't think gay people should get married.
Yes, it makes me intolerant. No one should tolerate bigotry.
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