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"Outrage" - Documentary Outs Gay Politicians Who Fight Gay Rights
injest:
Again, there is no uniform concept of decency. And I for one have met very few gay people who weren't at least trying to find a way to be their better selves. But I'll admit that I've never met a perfect gay person. However, there are no perfect straight people either, even though many of them are trying. Do you really expect gay people to be angels, David? Will you show them how?
of course he does not. Please do not read things into his words, David is a kind and gentle person and doesn't fight, so don't. He would be first to admit he isn't perfect.
and there IS some degree of uniformity in decency standards, Gary, it used to be called the "Golden Rule" and to be honest a LOT of us could benefit by thinking about it now and again.
louisev:
--- Quote from: milomorris on April 29, 2009, 02:09:52 am ---- I might be willing to concede that these politicians were indeed acting against the interests of sexual minorities IF I could take a look at the legislation that the filmmaker takes issue with. I would like to assess the "damage" they have done to equality of sexual minorities for myself. Then I'll decide about them.
- You know, you really shouldn't be lecturing me about sex workers. I've been around the block. Unless you have either been one, or bought one, you really cannot challenge me on the topic. I don't think of sex workers as less than human either. But I will tell you that some sex workers are real men, and others aren't. The real men would never do what these men have done unless faced with jail time or some such coercion.
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er no. That isn't how it works. I don't have to be a politician to debate politics, and I don't have to be a soldier to debate the efficacy of a war, or a sex worker to debate issues regarding prostitution. Nobody here does. And I was responding to your comment "they are not men", which you seem to have since revised to "not real men" because they blew the whistle on their johns. I don't buy that. I think they are honest gay men who felt it was wrong to keep the secrets of those who were actively damaging gay rights in America.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: louisev on April 29, 2009, 11:29:13 am ---er no. That isn't how it works. I don't have to be a politician to debate politics, and I don't have to be a soldier to debate the efficacy of a war, or a sex worker to debate issues regarding prostitution. Nobody here does.
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Fair enough, but you certainly do lack an intrinsic understanding of these topics unless you have intimate experience with them.
--- Quote from: louisev on April 29, 2009, 11:29:13 am ---And I was responding to your comment "they are not men", which you seem to have since revised to "not real men" because they blew the whistle on their johns. I don't buy that. I think they are honest gay men who felt it was wrong to keep the secrets of those who were actively damaging gay rights in America.
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When I said, "they're not men (or real men)" I was referring to the tattle-tales, not male prostitutes in general. And even if these guys thought that the politicians in question were "damaging" equality for sexual minorities (which I still need some more information on), there are other, more honorable ways for them to take action. Real men confront the men they have a problem with...directly. Running to the media first is an act of a class-A pussy.
louisev:
--- Quote from: milomorris on April 29, 2009, 03:00:24 pm ---Fair enough, but you certainly do lack an intrinsic understanding of these topics unless you have intimate experience with them.
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First of all you are making huge assumptions, and second of all, I can't believe you really want to go there on a public message board. This is waaaay off the topic of the film and its theme.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: louisev on April 29, 2009, 04:08:06 pm ---First of all you are making huge assumptions, and second of all, I can't believe you really want to go there on a public message board. This is waaaay off the topic of the film and its theme.
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You're right, this conversation about male prostitutes is off topic. As for the film, I think we both should go see it, and then return to discussing its merits or lack thereof.
But let me ask the Bettermost crowd here a question. Let's suppose that these politicians did indeed do intentional harm to the equality of sexual minorities. How does outing them in a film solve any problems?
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