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TOTW 03/09: What Was the Attraction?
bailey1205:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on May 29, 2009, 06:04:09 pm ---I think that line says exactly how Ennis was feeling.......to accept he was in love with Jack, was to him, admitting he was queer....he really did not want to think of himself as queer.
Even at the reunion, he is still reinforcing, that he "knows he aint".......was marrying Alma and being able to make love to a woman, his justification that he was not?
It seems he was more concerned about thinking himself queer, than anything else.
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Yep !
I think his fear of thinking of himself as queer was bigger then his fear of the tire iron.
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on May 26, 2009, 05:14:51 pm ---
He does it for me, I know it ain´t no fun up there. He´s doing it for me...why would anyone do something like that for me?
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You know, after all this time, I never thought of this scene that way. I always thought Ennis was just tired of hearin' Jack's bitchin' and complainin'. This is a much nicer way to view the scene. Thank you :)
It's amazing after all these years we still can become enlightened...
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on May 28, 2009, 03:11:48 pm ---
I think the only time that he (Jack) ever felt fulfilled and accepted for who he really was, was that distant summer on Brokeback Mountain and I think he spent the rest of his life trying to recreate it. But as you pointed out, in the end he ends up back home with his parents who doesn't even carry out his last wishes.
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--- Quote from: optom3 on May 28, 2009, 04:48:02 pm ---
Like you I also wonder about the Jack we do not see,more so than Ennis. Does he as you say, go upstairs to his room and try to breathe in the very essence of Ennis and BBM. Does he cry as he recalls the idyllic summer that was Brokeback.
I so often think of Jack as the being like a candle flickering in the breeze, close to being extinguished and yet somehow managing to burn for a little while longer. It would be glorious and much easier to imagine Jack as the eternal flame,clinging onto a vague yet ever dimming hope of some solace around the next bend. The words in the story, "let be, let be" seem to indicate that as he recalls and relishes the moment of the dozy embrace, he dare not allow himself to think more deeply.That to me seems to indicate that although outwardly optimistic, his inner self knows the reality and as such any exploration of the true situation is too much to even contemplate.
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:'(
Artiste:
Even to-day, gays do not think of themselves as queer! Gays are persons like everyone else who is not gay! We all are humans!
Being a gay man, I do not think that I am queer! But one thinks about that that (some) others do, and maybe gay bashing might be from them!
It was only spirit of being oneself that made Ennis and Jack attract to each other as a couple, a loving one!! I see that as that! Does anyone else do?
Katie77:
--- Quote from: Artiste on May 30, 2009, 09:42:12 am ---Even to-day, gays do not think of themselves as queer! Gays are persons like everyone else who is not gay! We all are humans!
Being a gay man, I do not think that I am queer! But one thinks about that that (some) others do, and maybe gay bashing might be from them!
It was only spirit of being oneself that made Ennis and Jack attract to each other as a couple, a loving one!! I see that as that! Does anyone else do?
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The term "queer" is only being used here, as it was in the context of the movie.
I do not call gay people "queer" in normal conversation, nor do I think that gays think of themselves as "queer".
We are talking about how Ennis felt, and in doing that we are quoting the word "queer" as he used it.
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