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Tale of a 19th-century abortion provider
Sophia:
--- Quote from: milomorris on June 08, 2009, 05:23:21 pm ---That's what I've been saying a round about way. Women have these rights. But in the process of their rights evolving, men have been left behind on this issue. Society has been so wrapped up (and rightly so) in protecting the rights of women and children, that little attention has been paid to how all of this effects men. (He said in a blog called "Women Today" ;D)
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why should men have rights to something going on inside a womens body? And MEN do have rights to say NO before they get involved in an sexual relationship. NO one force them to have sex!!! ;D
Kelda:
--- Quote from: sopylicious on June 08, 2009, 05:31:32 pm ---why should men have rights to something going on inside a womens body? And MEN do have rights to say NO before they get involved in an sexual relationship. NO one force them to have sex!!! ;D
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Or at least to take precautions - ie use condoms and ask the female to be on the pill - if he didn't want a baby.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 05:19:47 pm ---For some people, it's not an option morally.
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True.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 05:19:47 pm ---OK, but marriage and child support still seem like separate issues. If the couple were married, the man would still have to help support the kid. Having the woman as his wife isn't some kind of payback or benefit for that.
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Right. And I wasn't suggesting that marriage was a "payback."
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 05:19:47 pm ---My original point was that men who want to have sex should keep in mind the very real possibility that they are going to end up making a baby. As Amanda's post suggested, this is something that traditionally women have had to take much more seriously.
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I don't know that I can say that men take it any more seriously than women, or that women take it any more seriously than men. I know men and women alike who have very cavalier attitudes about it, and those that give the issue the gravity it deserves.
I know that the way I was raised, getting a girl pregnant seemed on par with shooting someone through the head.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 05:19:47 pm ---A man should be legally entitled to joint custody of any child he is legally required to help support.
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Thank you.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 08, 2009, 05:19:47 pm ---Milo, I understand what you're saying, and I do think men should have a say in whether their fetus gets aborted or delivered as a baby. I just don't think their say should be equal to that of the mother's, because they do not take on an equal burden. I'm not sure what the best answer is.
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It is a bit of a conundrum. Both parents should have some say in the fate of the unborn child. That is why I floated the family/civil court balloon. Some situations need mediation (arbitration), other situations need regulation.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: sopylicious on June 08, 2009, 05:31:32 pm ---why should men have rights to something going on inside a womens body?
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1. They're invited in.
2. They "own" half of that child's DNA. The growing fetus if just as much the father's as it is the mother's.
Monika:
We can never get around the fact that it is the woman who´s carrying the child It´s the woman´s body that gets reshaped. It´s the woman who takes all the risks, both mental and physical.
This is why it is, and always should be the woman´s decision.
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