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Tale of a 19th-century abortion provider
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Shasta542 on June 06, 2009, 06:23:08 pm ---So you are against innocents having any rights.
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Rights are not always synonymous with "choice." I think what Buffymon is saying is that a fetus is realistically incapable of making choices. If you want to talk about a fetus' rights, that would make more sense, IMO.
Shasta542:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 06, 2009, 06:21:51 pm ---It's not about depriving fetuses of their rights. It's just the simple reality that a fetus is not able to choose anything whatsoever. If an abortion does not take place, it's not because the fetus "chooses" to live.
Yes. But the term anti-life suggests that abortion-rights supporters are against life in general. They're not. Whereas "anti-choice" is accurate; abortion opponents ARE against choice in general. They don't want individuals to be allowed to choose in this matter.
I like "abortion-rights supporters" and "abortion opponents," myself.
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Then anti-life is accurate as in after an abortion--the baby has NO LIFE. You see it as you see it--I will see it as I see it. I am correct in my own perception. You perceive differently. That doesn't make you right and me wrong.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Shasta542 on June 06, 2009, 06:26:37 pm ---after an abortion--the baby has NO LIFE.
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I think very few people would disagree on that O0
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Shasta542 on June 06, 2009, 06:26:37 pm ---That doesn't make you right and me wrong.
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Of course not! :) You're arguing your POV, just as others are arguing theirs. It's a subjective issue.
Mikaela:
One thing I have a difficulty understanding if I were to take the "pro life" activists at face value, is why the "life" seemingly is so infinitely more worth while it's in a woman's womb. Haven't I seen the conservatives on this board and elsewhere moaning and groaning many a time over those living on welfare and how horrid it is to have to be paying taxes towards their welfare payments etc etc. Many single moms who have to live wholly or partly on welfare might have decided to get an abortion if that was a safe and easily accessible option to them, with no stigma involved. Yet here are those precious now-born lives and their moms, in need of support after they've actually been born and are real living human beings - and the enthusiasm for the value of their lives seem to decline all at once. While the ire and contempt directed at the "welfare moms" increase correspondingly. ???
Again, this proves to me that it's not about the life of the fetus (or resulting child) at all, but about repressing women and taking away from them both rights and responsibilities surrounding their own bodies, - and heaping guilt, shame and pain on them in the process. I am especially sorry to see women actually buying into this kind of ideology.
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