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Tale of a 19th-century abortion provider
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: milomorris on June 07, 2009, 03:35:37 pm ---Right. Maybe I wasn't clear. If the woman aborts the baby that the man wanted, she should compensate him. This is similar to suing someone in civil court for a wrongful death.
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It's not comparable. The woman has a perfect right to abortion if that's what she wanted.
What you're suggesting is that the partner is owed something.
If that's the case, and the man is owed money by the woman for not having his child, then if he doesn't want anything to do with the child, then not only does he owe her money for child support he also has to pay her as well because he didn't act as she might have wanted.
--- Quote ---I get that part, but why should he have to pay to help raise a child that he didn't want. The woman who has the baby (against the man's wishes), and also gets child support, is literally having her cake and eating it too.
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Because as my post said - did you read it? - few men are willing to take all precautions necessary. They usually have some bonehead excuse "She told me she was on the pill." or "She's the one who gets pregnant so she should be the one who takes responsibility for birth control." for not going over the top in preventing conception. So yes, unless they did all but have a vasectomy, when accidents happen, the male partner needs to be carefully scrutinized to see if he did all he could to prevent conception. If he didn't, then yes, he bears responsibility as well as the woman.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on June 07, 2009, 03:56:57 pm --- this is a very weird comparison. The woman isn´t commiting a crime when doing an abortion. Therefor no compensation should be awarded the male.
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Civil court is not for criminal offenses.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: milomorris on June 07, 2009, 03:35:37 pm ---I get that part, but why should he have to pay to help raise a child that he didn't want. The woman who has the baby (against the man's wishes), and also gets child support, is literally having her cake and eating it too.
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I think men just have to get used to the idea that if they have sex with a woman, she may get pregnant. That's part of the deal, and the possibility of winding up with a child to support is a responsibility they take when they have the sex in the first place.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on June 07, 2009, 03:59:18 pm ---I think men just have to get used to the idea that if they have sex with a woman, she may get pregnant. That's part of the deal, and the possibility of winding up with a child to support is a responsibility they take when they have the sex in the first place.
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And likewise a woman has to get used to the idea that if she has sex with a man, she may get pregnant. But I do not believe that child support should necessarily be compulsory. There are so many permutations. What if the man want to get married, but she does not? Is he still liable for child support? And I still say that if the woman retains the right to carry to term, but the man wants an abortion, the woman should shoulder the responsibility for raising the child. She is, after all, making a unilateral decision to become a parent...in spite of the father's wishes.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on June 07, 2009, 03:57:34 pm ---Few men are willing to take all precautions necessary.
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Precautions are a two way street. And women do lie sometimes about their use of birth control. Both parties bear equal weight when it comes to conception. Just because the woman makes the ultimate choice as to whether or not to carry to term, does not mean that the man is not allowed to disagree with that, nor should be held responsible for the outcome of a decision that she made.
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