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Willie Nelson's Lost Highway
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Marge_Innavera on November 10, 2009, 02:26:50 pm ---Yep.
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I'm not sure which step I missed, but anyone can read back a few pages and find out.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on November 10, 2009, 10:48:41 am ---Thirty years ago, two guys greeting each other with a bear hug and a thump on the back was looked on with suspicion. It's only come back into style since the restrictions on homosexuality have relaxed.
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Thirty years ago, the only guys the hug-n-thump thing were bruthas in da 'hood. Gangs also had special handshakes/embraces that signified membership. I would theorize that it slowly seeped out into the general population along with other elements of hip-hop culture.
Lynne:
--- Quote from: milomorris on November 10, 2009, 02:08:53 pm ---The reaction of "rednecks," "yahoos," and other likely gay-bashers to this song led to a discussion about how men in different parts of the country might interpret the lyrics. That in led to a turn in the direction of how straight men react to the advances of homosexual men. Which led to bravado and men "talking smak." Which led to Gary's assertion that homophobia "keeps straight men from being naturally affectionate and open with one another." Which led to my assertion that men are indeed affectionate and open with one another. Which led to Gary questioning my understanding of men. Which led to where we are now.
Did I skip a step?
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I can count the straight men I know who are openly affectionate with other men besides family members on one hand and have fingers left over. I'm sure the response to this is that being a female, I am not attuned to the nuances of male affection, so I'll save you the trouble. I believe I am. I have both father and brother and have spent 41 years observing how they interact with each other and with outsiders.
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: milomorris on November 10, 2009, 02:52:28 pm ---Thirty years ago, the only guys the hug-n-thump thing were bruthas in da 'hood. Gangs also had special handshakes/embraces that signified membership. I would theorize that it slowly seeped out into the general population along with other elements of hip-hop culture.
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When I was young, it specifically was not done, unless the person was a blood relative. There was no secret why it was frowned upon.
My experience suggests hip-hop has little or nothing to do with it, because the people involved have no contact with, nor interest in, hip-hop.
Kelda:
--- Quote from: milomorris on November 10, 2009, 02:27:25 am ---The cartoonish instrumentation is one tip off. Its also the way I'm hearing the lyrics. They're silly.
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As a fellow musician, I certainly dont see it as being a cartoonist intrumentation.
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