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Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Tony-Ranger on April 18, 2011, 10:11:55 pm ---I can't answer that. But I can say that the IRS doesn't comment on these things. How many times have you read in the newspaper about your tax payments?
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Ah, but we're not taking other people's money to build schools in Afghanistan. I'm sorry, but I think that's a false comparison, to compare the tax returns of an individual to those of a charitable organization. And it always does make the news when individual celebrities screw up on their taxes big time (think: Willie Nelson, for example).
Front-Ranger:
Jeff, I concede that you are right about this. It may be quite true that the IRS would publish information about a charitable organization. I will look into this and see if there are facts behind the accusations.
Meanwhile, Jon Krakauer has made the first chapters of his forthcoming book Three Cups of Deceit available online. I respect his work although I don't think much of 60 Minutes after a company I worked for went under their warped microscope. More later as this story unfolds.
Meanwhile those who will suffer are the girls whose education will be cut off. They and their families are the ones at risk.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Tony-Ranger on April 19, 2011, 10:13:23 am ---Meanwhile those who will suffer are the girls whose education will be cut off. They and their families are the ones at risk.
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That is, indeed, very sad and distressing. :(
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: milomorris on April 19, 2011, 02:40:07 am ---I just discovered this thread thanks to recent posts appearing on the Bettermost homepage. My response is a couple years late, but this topic is evergreen.
Correct. But misogyny is just as ingrained as is misandry. And in the post-modern era, misandry has taken on new dimensions and forms of expression. For example, 3 years ago, my man David went for a job interview at a local waste management company. This face-to-face interview was the result having passed 2 telephone interviews: 1 with the HR manager, and 1 with the hiring manager. The HR manager was a middle-aged white woman. David is a middle-aged white man. She actually had the nerve to ask David if he would have a problem working women or with blacks!!!
This illustrates layers of stereotyping on her part: male stereotypes, white stereotypes, and age stereotypes.
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But why do you think she was asking? Because of misogyny, many men DO have a problem with women as authority figures over them. If there wasn't a problem, she wouldn't have had to ask.
--- Quote ---Back in the good ol' days, we used to know exactly how to handle male aggression. Our fathers and other men in our families and communities used to teach us how to manage it, and how to use it constructively. For example: if someone hits you, you hit them back. "Fight fire with fire." You didn't go grab a gun and shoot someone just because they insulted you. Back in the day, the "man rules" had plenty to say about aggression, and if a man transgressed, his masculinity was questioned or diminished. Now that all the "man rules" have been de-valued, much control over aggression has been lost.
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But I see that as masculinity pushed to the brink. NO ONE wants to be shown up. That's the male ego right there. Before, men had to accept being a loser, being weaker, being beaten. Men's aggression drove them to weapons. Now, if they get beat up in a fair fight, they don't lick their wounds and go home and bear the brunt of a lower status because they weren't top dog. They grab a gun and immediately return to kill the other so they can regain status.
--- Quote ---Competition can, has, and continues to take healthy forms that inspire men (and women) to strive for excellence. Certainly there are unhealthy forms of competition. The idea is to promote the healthy forms, and discourage the unhealthy ones. Same goes for aggression.
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Sure, but cooperation works just as well.
--- Quote ---That describes men with specific mental illnesses and psychological dysfuntions. It does not accurately describe men in general.
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Or it could describe men with a great fear of being psychologically emasculated by situations.
--- Quote ---I could not disagree more. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan." The problem is not with the qualities you listed, but rather with how an individual might express them.
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As I pointed out, cooperation works just as well'. Martin Luther King, Jr, was talking about soft MINDS. Since when is handling something cooperatively and in the spirit of peace, soft-minded?
--- Quote ---Strength is the core of masculinity. Without it, there is no masculinity, and no value in males.
Aggression is a constant of masculinity, and can be an incredibly useful tool whan managed properly.
Control is a virtue, and it begins with self.
Sexual prowess is essential for the continuation of any species, and important for the well-being of the individual.
But that is not the whole story of masculinity. There are other important qualities that ride alongside the ones you mention above.
Honor
Respect
Loyalty
Discretion
Confidence
Humility
Integrity
Dignity
All of these play into masculinity. Assessing the abundance or lack of these qualities is how society decides how manly a man is.
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But all of these are attributes of women as well. Now what do you say about their role in masculinity?
Brown Eyes:
I think we may be veering somewhat off-topic. This thread doesn't need to spiral off into another endless debate about gender roles, attributes or stereotypes. I'm clearly one who clearly believes that gender is completely fluid and people born male and people born female pick up both masculine and feminine qualities. And individuals express those qualities as they see fit. I think few people really want to be painted into a gendered box.
The constant equation of femininity (as it manifests in both males and females ) with weakness is a form of misogyny... so that may be somewhat relevant here.
But, I think there are other threads here at BetterMost where the more general discussions of gender roles and gender identifications can and have been discussed at length.
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