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Nude photo shuts down UK's Tate Modern exhbit
Mikaela:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on October 02, 2009, 01:16:23 pm ---And, for me, naked children hold even less potential to be pornographic.
I have some friends who's two year old son is naked in a lot of pictures because they still have trouble getting him to keep his clothes on. :laugh: Of course that gives them more potential to embarrass him when he grows up and it's payback time! ;D
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I agree with this (in caase it wasn't obvious).
There was some bro-ha-ha a few years back about the exhibition of a woman photographer's art - she'd taken heaps of photos of her nude kids, some of them posed, most unposed in various situations - swimming, going about the house etc. They were just kids, and they were naked. Nothing salacious, intimate for sure but mainly because it was in a famlity sitation and the kids were being - looking to be - happy normal kids doing their thing in a family setting. I thought the criticim of her photos as "potentially pornographic" was totally unwarranted.
But the Brooke Shields photo isn't a child being a child while in the nude - it's a child made up intentionally by adults to be explicitly provocative/attractive (take your pick) to adults. Complete with make-up, baby oil and a sexual attitude. A little Lolita if ever there was one. That is something entirely else than your friend's kid who won't get dressed.
I bet that this Brooke Shields pic has appeared in more than one of the "collections" found on peadophile persons computers, when the police arrest them.
The article I linked to says that Ms. Shields has tried to repurchase the rights to the photo in order to take the "art" off the market, but she's been unsuccessful. I think that's a pity.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on October 02, 2009, 04:15:34 pm ---But the Brooke Shields photo isn't a child being a child while in the nude - it's a child made up intentionally by adults to be explicitly provocative/attractive (take your pick) to adults. Complete with make-up, baby oil and a sexual attitude. A little Lolita if ever there was one. That is something entirely else than your friend's kid who won't get dressed.
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I don´t know what the origin of the pic is, but looking at it now it doesn´t look like a Lolita pic to me. Quite the opposite. It felt like it tried to say quite the opposite. the undeveloped body standing in stark contrast with the made up, older looking face. Children today might act and look older, but they are still just kids. That´s what the pic said to me.
But perhaps that wasn´t the intention of the man who took the picture. And what often separates art from porn is the intention behind the work.
Mikaela:
You're more benevolent and open-mindend than me in this, Monika. :)
When I see "art" like this, I immediately feel that the artist's message is: "Hey, everyone, look how edgy and controversial I can be! Look at me! Talk about me! Me, me, me!"
I find that tiresome, and immature. Especially when it exposes a young child in such a potentially salacious manner.
I am of course open to the possibility that I'm wrong and just not sufficiently knowledgable about interpreting photographic art. This photo made me react with immediate distaste, though, not with curiosity for its possible message - and I'll let my gut reaction stand.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on October 03, 2009, 04:05:36 am ---You're more benevolent and open-mindend than me in this, Monika. :)
When I see "art" like this, I immediately feel that the artist's message is: "Hey, everyone, look how edgy and controversial I can be! Look at me! Talk about me! Me, me, me!"
I find that tiresome, and immature. Especially when it exposes a young child in such a potentially salacious manner.
I am of course open to the possibility that I'm wrong and just not sufficiently knowledgable about interpreting photographic art. This photo made me react with immediate distaste, though, not with curiosity for its possible message - and I'll let my gut reaction stand.
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perfectly understandable. I fully understand if people find it offensive.
I think it´s an interesting discussion though, what exactly constitutes art.
delalluvia:
Tate museum removes nude photo
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091014/ap_en_ot/eu_britain_brooke_shields_photo
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