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bailey1205:
--- Quote from: garycottle on November 15, 2009, 06:15:15 pm ---So true, Louise. You can dress it up all you want, and you can even admit to your attraction to men, but if you restrain who you basically are in order to fit in, then you're still in the closet. Some may feel the need to remain in the closet, but it's hardly honorable. And not telling the truth about who you are is dishonest, even if done out of necessity.
Yeah, there are a lot of guys out there who would bully us into being something we're not. These men are grotesque thugs. They are not honorable, and giving into them is not honorable. And a man secure in himself would not care how effeminate or masculine another man is.
We need to fight homophobia, not wring out the effeminacy in gay men, or marginalize gay men "who don't act like other men in their daily lives" in the hopes of gaining acceptance. Judging someone based on how effeminate they are is stupid. And doing that is not in any way an essential element of manhood. It's about bullies trying to get one up on their fellow men -- as well as women, BTW -- by way of intimidation. These assholes need to be knocked down a peg or two, not appeased. Being a dumbass ape is not the same thing as being a man. It really is too bad some have internalized the homophobia in our society to such a degree that they confuse the two.
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Oh, I'm betting these guys that think they are big ole butch gay guys, who think they are 'passing', really ain't.
;)
That is what is so hilarious to me.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Sason on November 15, 2009, 03:29:35 pm ---I don't know what women have in other countries, but I can tell you some of the things
we have here in Sweden. My guess is that most of them do not exist in the US, but I could be wrong.
* Unquestioned right to abortion. Counselling if you're in doubt.
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so, is what you are describing in Sweden "abortion on demand"?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: garycottle on November 15, 2009, 06:15:15 pm ---You can dress it up all you want, and you can even admit to your attraction to men, but if you restrain who you basically are in order to fit in, then you're still in the closet. Some may feel the need to remain in the closet, but it's hardly honorable. And not telling the truth about who you are is dishonest, even if done out of necessity.
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I don't feel particularly drawn to the Androphile movement, and don't feel compelled to defend it. But, I question any labelling the goals of the movement or its sympathizers as encouraging men to remain in closets or to become dishonest about themselves. Leading an honorable life is quite a bit more complicated than effectively wearing a sign around one's neck announcing one's sexual orientation. In my experience, most people live in glass houses anyway, and most of the people they come in contact with understand their orientations and just wink at it.
The issue is - what is the advantage of disadvantage of openly and loudly demanding acceptance and acknowledgement. I happen to be in favor of ss marriage and of hate crime laws being extended to "sexual minorities" (to use the current terminology of the PC left), but I see nothing dishonorable about a homosexual man refraining from loudly supporting changes in the law, if he is comfortable in his own life.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: bailey1205 on November 15, 2009, 07:07:27 pm ---Oh, I'm betting these guys that think they are big ole butch gay guys, who think they are 'passing', really ain't.
;)
That is what is so hilarious to me.
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To a certain degree, you are correct. I think that we all live in glass houses and no amount of posturing will change much.
But I can't entirely share your laughter, as there is often real pain behind the glass wall that most can't readily see. One of the outstanding achievements of Brokeback Mountain is that some of that pain was shared with the general population. Perhaps the empathy that so many Brokies have extended to "Ennis" and "Jack" could also be extended to real men who live in our real world and who still find it difficult to get beyond the glass wall.
bailey1205:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on November 15, 2009, 07:24:47 pm ---To a certain degree, you are correct. I think that we all live in glass houses and no amount of posturing will change much.
But I can't entirely share your laughter, as there is often real pain behind the glass wall that most can't readily see. One of the outstanding achievements of Brokeback Mountain is that some of that pain was shared with the general population. Perhaps the empathy that so many Brokies have extended to "Ennis" and "Jack" could also be extended to real men who live in our real world and who still find it difficult to get beyond the glass wall.
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That would be a lot easier for some to do if, those that are behind the glass wall did not proclaim, relentlessy on here,that feminine gays are inferior to them.
And, they have done that.
;)
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