The World Beyond BetterMost > Anything Goes
gay vikings- could it be true...
milomorris:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 16, 2009, 12:58:47 pm ---Viewing that there are some traits specific to one sex is a conceit as well.
Women are nurturing? Well, so are men.
Men are brave? Well, so are women.
Women want families? Well, so do men.
Men are strong? Well, so are women.
--- End quote ---
Good point. At the same time, its important to understand that some traits carry more weight with one gender than the other. For example, if a man is not very nurturing, nobody really thinks twice about it. If a woman lacks this trait, people think there is something out-of-sorts with her.
Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on November 16, 2009, 03:35:56 am ---Right. And as I have said before, it comes down to a matter of where a man's balance point is. Like it or not, society places boundaries on masculinity and femininity. Men and women who cross those boundaries cause friction.
--- End quote ---
I love friction. Bring it on.
Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on November 16, 2009, 08:32:06 am ---Not "femininity," Clyde, "effeminacy." The two words are different. See Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: fem·i·nine
Function: adjective
1: female 1a(1)
2: characteristic of or appropriate or unique to women <feminine beauty> <a feminine perspective>
and
Main Entry: ef·fem·i·nate
Function: adjective
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2 : marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement <effeminate art> <an effeminate civilization>
So you see, a woman is feminine. A man can be effeminate.
--- End quote ---
Effeminate is a ridiculous term. I mean, exactly what qualities are untypical of men?
Or exactly what qualities make men less manly? ::)
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 16, 2009, 12:58:47 pm ---Viewing that there are some traits specific to one sex is a conceit as well.
Women are nurturing? Well, so are men.
Men are brave? Well, so are women.
Women want families? Well, so do men.
Men are strong? Well, so are women.
--- End quote ---
Absolutely!
One can wonder why people even create these bogus "standards" to begin with. What purpose do they serve? Are people expected to all act alike? Or is the motivation to try and give certain people some kind of perceived advantage over others?
Not only do the "standards" vary from culture to culture and within a culture over time, but nobody adheres to the "standards" 100% or even tries to. Most people just relax and be themselves.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on November 16, 2009, 02:52:55 pm ---One can wonder why people even create these bogus "standards" to begin with. What purpose do they serve? Are people expected to all act alike? Or is the motivation to try and give certain people some kind of perceived advantage over others?
--- End quote ---
I don't see what del posted as being "standards," but rather as trends or tendencies. These things do have value. For example, in the educational world, we are made aware that boys & girls learn differently, and therefore need different types of attention from teachers. Another example is in the corporate world: diversity/sensitivity trainers teach us that men and women often prioritize differently, and have divergent approaches to problem-solving. The point of the training is to make us aware of the differences so that we can better understand each other, and don't miss out on the value that a person of the opposite gender brings to the table.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version