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Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Toast on March 01, 2007, 02:48:23 pm ---Did you notice if the prop book identifies the small bag on the bed inside the trailer?
Does it call it a manbag? saddlebag? or Juniors bag?
Curious minds would like to know Lee.
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I specifically looked for that, Toast. But there was no mention of it. EDelMar told me that if the actors did not touch it, it is considered set decoration and is not included in the prop book. However, I had the chance to see that mysterious object on the large screen when I was in Bay City. IMHO, it was a mistake that it was included in the scene. The object is a richly tooled portfolio cover, and is unlike something that either Alma Jr or Ennis would have possessed. Just my opinion.
Toast:
Thanks Lee
I'm inclined to agree that neither Ennis nor Junior would posess such a finely tooled portfolio.
But it's interesting that it's in the scene from two different angles, and moved slightly between scenes.
Thanks again Lee and EDelMar.
I see tht yu had a great time in Michigan.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 01, 2007, 07:59:35 pm ---It fascinates me that you see him--and that scene--this way. While I don't think his "troublemaking" is just gratuitous, in that scene with Ennis I've never been able to see anything in John Twist's demeanor except bitterness and deep contempt--contempt for his own son, emphasized by that business of spitting into his cup. :-\
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Yes, I've always thought he looked sad sitting at the table. And the way some people deal with grief is to lash out bitterly and contemptuously -- especially, I'm sure, people who are bitter and contemptuous by nature in the first place.
I've heard a theory that I find semi-convincing, that John Twist is not only grief stricken but that the reason that he denies Ennis the ashes is because he doesn't feel Ennis "deserves" them. Because Ennis rejected Jack's offer and let Jack down, OMT feels he shouldn't get family member status and respect, and is unworthy of scattering the ashes.
Front-Ranger:
Very thought-provoking, Katherine!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on March 02, 2007, 12:02:52 pm ---Yes, I've always thought he looked sad sitting at the table. And the way some people deal with grief is to lash out bitterly and contemptuously -- especially, I'm sure, people who are bitter and contemptuous by nature in the first place.
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Good point about some people dealing with grief by lashing out in bitterness at others. I've seen that in RL--by the sister of a late friend, with whom I've been unhappily yoked for two years as co-excutors of my friend's estate. :-\
--- Quote ---I've heard a theory that I find semi-convincing, that John Twist is not only grief stricken but that the reason that he denies Ennis the ashes is because he doesn't feel Ennis "deserves" them. Because Ennis rejected Jack's offer and let Jack down, OMT feels he shouldn't get family member status and respect, and is unworthy of scattering the ashes.
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That is an interesting theory. I'm sure I've said elsewhere that I see the denial of the ashes not as an action against Ennis but as the old man's final act of control over the son he deemed a failure and a disappointment.
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