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Was Mexico all about revenge or about need?
serious crayons:
So in a way, Jack himself is blurring the line between sex and intimacy. Certainly choosing the former in lieu of the latter, maybe in his desperation ignoring the fact that they aren't really interchangable.
Because I do think desperation -- rather than revenge or even sheer need -- is his motivator. And like Jeff, I don't think this was his last trip to Mexico. (Or else in response to Ennis' question in the lakeside argument he might have replied, "Hell yes, I went to Mexico once about seven years ago. Is that a f'in problem?")
Momof2:
I have always thouht that Mexico was a reoccuring trip. I do think part of his going was "I'll show him." I also strongly beleive he was went out of desperation, looking for the intimacy he couuld not have with Ennis. As I have never been with a prostitute or have never had much casual sex, I do not know if he would have ever found that. I guess for a few fleeting moments he did. It is so sad. But I guess it is like any relationship, alot of times when something is missing people go looking. That is in any relationship. I think that when an affair happens for emotional fulfillment it is more dangerous than one for sex. Those are the ones that destroy people. I love Ennis but I swear if I could I would choke him or slap some sense into him at the post divorce scene. I wish Jack would have said, Well, I am not leaving until we get a few things worked out. Tell the girls what ever you want. I will sleep on the couch. I know alot of people that have meaningless sex. They say it is fun and they enjoy it but I know that deep down, like Jack they are searching for something other than sex.
Is it true that gay men are promiscous? Someone made the statement in another post that gay women have more long term relationships than gay men. Also on 48 hours the other night they were looking at gay people. They were doing a story on if being gay was genetic or nurturing. This man that has done alot of research said that the more older brothers a man has the more likely he is to be gay. One researcher went on to say that when a woman carries a male child the first time, that her body recognizes it as foreign. (I am a scientist) so bear in mind. She then makes antibodies to the "male" part of the fetus i.e. hormones. If she becomes preg again with a male her antibody attacks the male hormones thus resulting in a decrease in testosterone therefore making the child more likely to be gay. Any ideas??? I just thought it was interesting. Then my husband who is by no means "familiar" with anything to do with being gay, said "Why do they have to rationalize everything. Why cant they just accept that people are the way they are. They do not go out looking at why someone is straight".
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Momof2 on August 29, 2006, 12:40:41 pm ---Is it true that gay men are promiscous? Someone made the statement in another post that gay women have more long term relationships than gay men.
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Those are certainly the stereotypes. I won't speak for lesbians, but as far as gay men are concerned, it seems to me that there is always some kernel of truth behind any stereotype--though for every gay man who fits the stereotype, undoubtedly you can find many who do not.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Momof2 on August 29, 2006, 12:40:41 pm ---Is it true that gay men are promiscous? Someone made the statement in another post that gay women have more long term relationships than gay men.
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I don't know about gay men and women in particular. But I will point out that I think men in general tend to be more promiscuous than women. Emphasis on the "in general" -- obviously there are lots of exceptions.
If you believe in evolutionary psychology, it makes sense: men are more likely to have their genes carried into the next generation if they spread their seed as widely as possible. Women can only have one baby at a time, so they're more likely to have their genes carried on if they nurture their offpsring to maturity (so the offspring can forward the genes on to yet another generation). And children are more likely to survive if they're cared for by two people in a stable relationship. That distinction, IMO, is the key to understanding a number of gender differences.
nakymaton:
I thought the Mexico trip(s) (yes, I think there were probably many) were about loneliness, about substituting sexual intimacy for emotional intimacy, too. In fact... well, there's a lot I've been wanting to talk about, dealing with sex vs love and the structure of the short story and why I find the story so emotionally devastating, but I don't have time to do it now.
But there's something else that intrigues me about this thread. Several people have mentioned anger and/or revenge as playing a part in Jack's reason for going to Mexico... and all of those people have been women. Why? Is this part of the female psyche that I don't understand (and I'm a woman, too, but this surprises me)?
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