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NYT: Women Not Behind the Camera
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on December 22, 2009, 01:33:00 pm ---I gather most don't have a lot of negotiating power and are probably happy to get jobs, period.
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Or perhaps, they should show interest in directing actions flicks. They certainly can't do any worse than Renny Harlin has done in the last decade. But then you have directors like Nora Ephron and Streisand who have more pull.
--- Quote ---I'm not sure what you're saying. My point was that men aren't limited to anything; women are.
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I agree. But women seem to limit themselves right off the bat. And such limitations aren't restricted to women. Look what happened to Spike Lee.
--- Quote ---But what Woody Allen, Judd Apatow and some of the others arguably make, more or less exclusively, is chick flix. Or flix that hypothetically could be for chix, anyway (Judd's movies would have to lose a few -- OK, a lot of -- dick jokes).
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It's debatable. The Woody Allen movies I've seen are basically character studies about him. The latest movie I saw from Woody Allen was a murder mystery. Again, the movie was not about relationships or family.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 22, 2009, 01:40:17 pm ---Or perhaps, they should show interest in directing actions flicks.
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Well, who knows what interest they have or haven't shown? The point is, aside from Katherine Bigelow, they don't get hired to direct action flicks. Katherine Bigelow was married to James Carpenter and may have better connections than most -- and her action flicks have been pretty low budget. When a studio is looking for a director for a big-budget action movie, a woman's name may not even be on the list.
--- Quote ---But women seem to limit themselves right off the bat.
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Why do you assume they've limited themselves rather than been limited by others?
--- Quote --- Look what happened to Spike Lee.
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What happened to Spike Lee?
--- Quote ---The Woody Allen movies I've seen are basically character studies about him. The latest movie I saw from Woody Allen was a murder mystery.
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So you're saying Woody Allen has been involved in a murder?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on December 22, 2009, 05:25:27 pm ---Why do you assume they've limited themselves rather than been limited by others?
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Because I've read articles from women such as Meg Ryan, Drew Barrymore and Demi Moore, who have produced their own movies, talk about the movies they want to make - movies about women and stories from a woman's POV.
--- Quote ---What happened to Spike Lee?
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Same situation rose with Spike Lee. He was reknown for making movies focusing on a certain niche. In fact, he was kinda stuck there, until recently when he finally began to expand. It was quite a controversy for a while.
--- Quote ---So you're saying Woody Allen has been involved in a murder?
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??? His movie was a murder mystery.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 23, 2009, 02:02:41 am ---Because I've read articles from women such as Meg Ryan, Drew Barrymore and Demi Moore, who have produced their own movies, talk about the movies they want to make - movies about women and stories from a woman's POV.
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The only one of those women who seems to be making movies currently is Drew Barrymore. Her last movie, "Whip It," was from a woman's POV, it wasn't a rom-com, it was critically successful -- and a commercial total dud. Think she's going to get financing for an action flick, if that's what she wanted to make next? Remember, you can't just "want to make" a movie. You have to get people to pay for it.
--- Quote ---Same situation rose with Spike Lee. He was reknown for making movies focusing on a certain niche. In fact, he was kinda stuck there, until recently when he finally began to expand. It was quite a controversy for a while.
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By "certain niche," do you mean ... black people? First of all, I don't see how that's a problem, given that his movies were successful and they covered as wide a range of styles as any other director's -- except that the actors were, oh yeah, black. I don't see how that constitutes being "kinda stuck." But he's been making movies with white central characters, too, since at least the early '00s.
--- Quote --- ??? His movie was a murder mystery.
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You said, "Woody makes movies about himself. His last movie was a murder mystery." Unless he was involved in a murder, I don't see how both sentences could be true.
If you mean, he makes movies in which the central character somewhat resembles him, that would make more sense, but that's not really true, either. Scarlett Johanson in Vicky Christina Barcelona wasn't at all like Woody. And that film was a very classic rom-com, which was my point. Mostly, that's what he makes.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on December 23, 2009, 11:07:30 am ---The only one of those women who seems to be making movies currently is Drew Barrymore. Her last movie, "Whip It," was from a woman's POV, it wasn't a rom-com, it was critically successful -- and a commercial total dud. Think she's going to get financing for an action flick, if that's what she wanted to make next? Remember, you can't just "want to make" a movie. You have to get people to pay for it.
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Well these women do finance some of their own pictures, make movie deals that include producing. None of these women have been totally successful. But remember, Drew's biggest hit as a producer? Yep, jiggles and action - Charlie's Angels.
--- Quote ---By "certain niche," do you mean ... black people? First of all, I don't see how that's a problem, given that his movies were successful and they covered as wide a range of styles as any other director's -- except that the actors were, oh yeah, black. I don't see how that constitutes being "kinda stuck." But he's been making movies with white central characters, too, since at least the early '00s.
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Yes, but not exclusively and some of his movies were critically acclaimed. Few were successful financially hence his recent outgrowth. Spike Lee is also famous for limiting himself:
Even when talking about his films, Lee has said on several occasions – most notably with “’Mo Better Blues” and “Malcolm X” – that only a black man was qualified to direct movies about the black experience – a comment many white directors found offensive, including Eastwood and Steven Spielberg, who had both helmed African-American-themed stories, including “Bird” and “The Color Purple” (1985)
--- Quote ---You said, "Woody makes movies about himself. His last movie was a murder mystery." Unless he was involved in a murder, I don't see how both sentences could be true.
If you mean, he makes movies in which the central character somewhat resembles him, that would make more sense, but that's not really true, either. Scarlett Johanson in Vicky Christina Barcelona wasn't at all like Woody. And that film was a very classic rom-com, which was my point. Mostly, that's what he makes.
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Sorry. I was in a stream of consciousness fugue. 1) Woody Allen, when he stars in his own pics, is basically being himself and 2) the last movie I saw of his was not a typical chick-flick rom-com but a murder mystery.
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