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19 or 20?
Front-Ranger:
We should not leave Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana out of this equation. Any Texan that appears in the movie is quite likely to be mostly a product of their imaginations. And LM/DO are known for creating some of the most memorable Texas characters in existence.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on August 27, 2010, 06:50:51 pm ---We should not leave Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana out of this equation. Any Texan that appears in the movie is quite likely to be mostly a product of their imaginations. And LM/DO are known for creating some of the most memorable Texas characters in existence.
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And .... ?
I'm sorry, FRiend, I have no idea what you want to tell us. Do you mean this comment in regard to Jack's fatherhood of Bobby? Or in regard to the original question of this thread? Or something entirely else?
Monika:
--- Quote from: chowhound on August 27, 2010, 05:58:28 pm ---
Also, if Jack is not Bobby's biological father, it makes more understandable Jack's willingness to leave his wife and newborn son to start a new life with Ennis.
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I think that would be very untypcial AP because it would give Jack a somewhat valid reason to leave.
That´d be too easy, I think.
Front-Ranger:
Just to clarify, when we think about the Texan characters in the movie, we have to consider the screenwriters, Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, who are longtime commenters on what it means to be Texan. Think of Last Picture Show, Lonesome Dove, and Terms of Endearment, all stories about Texans. And in all those stories appeared enigmatic women, women shaped by their environment and sometimes driven half-mad by the experiences they endured. Why on earth did Emma marry Flap Horton in Terms of Endearment, and why was Aurora Greenaway so overbearing? It's never spelled out in the story, but the implication is that Texas is not the kind of place to have sensitive feelings or "tender mercies." Thus, Lureen emerges as the same kind of enigmatic woman. McMurtry never spelled out her motives and we could go round and round trying to figure them out. It's clear that she pursued Jack, maybe for straightforward reasons and maybe for devious reasons.
Marina:
That is certainly plausible, that Lureen would have been pregnant. I never thought of it that way. As I mentioned in my previous comment, I noticed a subplot of commentary of the masculinity and culture of the day - to me, LD was the "stud duck" of the family, just as Jack's father was, and Ennis' father appeared to be - and as long as LD was able-bodied, he'd be the "top dog" in that family, and I doubt any other man would be liable to unseat him, the old buffalo! He didn't like Jack, and I doubt any man, would be good enough for his daughter in his eyes. Lureen wanted Jack, so I think LD tolerated him. I love how Lureen rolls her eyes at Jack when her father, whom she obviously loves dearly, says "Isn't he [little Bobby] the spittin' image of his Grampaw?" :) I think that Jack had thought about Ennis all the time he was married to Lureen, but didn't realize the depth of his feelings until after the reunion, and then wanted to leave the life he had to be with Ennis then.
But eventually, the "young upstart" Jack did put LD in his place ("you sit down, you ol' sonofabitch. This is my house.), and I loved it. And you could see Lureen was quietly pleased. I wanted to shout "Yeah!". Not too much different from the animal kingdom! lol :)
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