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Monika:
--- Quote from: milomorris on October 21, 2011, 07:01:28 am ---What I'm saying is that the people who want abortion banned don't want the coat hangers either. Whatever you might think of them, they have no malicious intent. They think there is a way to craft a society where neither of those two evils exist.
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If that´s the case, then that´s incredibly naive. Look at the past and the situation in some other countries still.
They might not have no malicious intent, but their actions will lead to suffering and tradegy just the same.
But hey, if and when they come up with the perfect solution, they should let the rest of us know. Meanwhile...
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 21, 2011, 07:19:22 am ---They might not have no malicious intent, but their actions will lead to suffering and tradegy just the same.
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The current environment where abortion is allowed leads to suffering and tragedy too. And that's my own opinion, not just that of the anti-abortionists. I don't think the government should dictate whether a woman should have the choice to have an abortion or not, but I'm not going sit here and say that abortion is a reasonable solution to anything.
--- Quote from: Ghost Cowboy on October 21, 2011, 07:19:22 am ---But hey, if and when they come up with the perfect solution, they should let the rest of us know. Meanwhile...
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I agree that its the anti-abortionists that want change, so it is incumbent on them to come up with a viable, sustainable alternative.
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: milomorris on October 21, 2011, 07:01:28 am ---What I'm saying is that the people who want abortion banned don't want the coat hangers either. Whatever you might think of them, they have no malicious intent. They think there is a way to craft a society where neither of those two evils exist.
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I actually am one of the people who think there is a way to craft such a society. For many years we have been going towards preventive health care, in which all people stay in touch with their doctor and are regularly checked. Think what it could be like if all adolescent girls, no matter what their families' income, could consult with a health care professional a couple of times per year. There are new birth control methods that are far less punishing on health. Also, think about if sex and health education was mandatory for all young people. We would see far greater societal health across all income levels (and orientations too).
Think what it would be like if every child who entered this world was a wanted child. Quality of life would rise and crime would languish. The ultimate solution would be an end to poverty. The fact that millions in our society suffer and struggle just to get the basics of food, water and shelter drags us all down whether we admit it or not.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Scare-Ranger on October 21, 2011, 09:52:20 am ---I actually am one of the people who think there is a way to craft such a society. For many years we have been going towards preventive health care, in which all people stay in touch with their doctor and are regularly checked. Think what it could be like if all adolescent girls, no matter what their families' income, could consult with a health care professional a couple of times per year. There are new birth control methods that are far less punishing on health. Also, think about if sex and health education was mandatory for all young people. We would see far greater societal health across all income levels (and orientations too).
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While I agree with you in principle, FRiend Scare, this seems to overlook the fact that the people who don't want abortion and don't want the coat hangers also tend not to want birth control; all they want is abstention (like that did Bristol Palin any good). They also tend not to want sex education and are against government-mandated-just-about-everything. I would like to live in the kind of world you describe, too, but to think it's even remotely possible in the political climate of the U.S. today would be both utopian and naive in the extreme. Maybe it will be possible in the lifetime of your grandson's grandson (if humans haven't destroyed the planet by then), but we won't live to see it.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Scare-Ranger on October 21, 2011, 09:52:20 am ---I actually am one of the people who think there is a way to craft such a society. For many years we have been going towards preventive health care, in which all people stay in touch with their doctor and are regularly checked. Think what it could be like if all adolescent girls, no matter what their families' income, could consult with a health care professional a couple of times per year. There are new birth control methods that are far less punishing on health. Also, think about if sex and health education was mandatory for all young people. We would see far greater societal health across all income levels (and orientations too).
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This actually could work. I can see how it would at least reduce the incidents of abortions. A few thoughts.
- Currently every state offers healthcare coverage to children of low-income families, AFAIK. The problem is that parents too often don't take advantage of that care, i.e., don't take their children on regular doctor visits. So even when they become teens and can go on their own, they are already "trained" not to bother. We could solve this by affixing mandatory doctor (and dentist) visits as a condition of receiving subsidized care.
- I agree with you about the new birth control methods. Not only are we developing oral contraceptives for men, but there are also drugs being made that would terminate pregnancies at the embryonic stage. To me, that's better than having to kill a fetus.
- Making sex education mandatory is a sticky subject. Perhaps it could be woven into biology curriculae.
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