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What does "bitch" mean now?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Luvlylittlewing on April 13, 2012, 01:36:49 pm ---He seemed to take great pleasure in calling me a bitch. I let it go. Consider the source.
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You are a very wise person. :)
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 13, 2012, 01:25:21 pm ---Oh, sorry. I thought when you said "culture" you meant culture. But you mean everyday discourse, as in what I hear people say in person? Even then I'd say "dick" and "bitch" are at least equally common.
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Yes, and I agreed with that earlier in this thread. The point I'm making is what effect being called either or those things has on a man or a woman. "Dick" might not seem as horrible as the "c-word" by society at large, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have the same impact on individual men as the "c-word" has on individual women. Moreover, if using "bitch," the "c-word," etc. is demeaning to all women, the same goes for "prick," "dick," etc. for all men.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 13, 2012, 01:25:21 pm ---The point is, slurs used to insult those groups carry more power to hurt and offend than slurs used against dominant groups. As a member of two out of of those three dominant groups, I can attest that I'm not particularly stung by "honky" or "breeder," nor have I known any other members of those groups who were. They're more like, "Yeah, OK, fair is fair, there should be some insulting term for the other side." But in practice, they just aren't as insulting.
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So the next time I'm at my favorite bar up here in rural Pennsylvania (which won't be until next month), I can call a 300 lb. biker "cracker" to his face, and he'll just laugh it off?? I don't think so. I think I'd be picking my black ass up off the floor.
milomorris:
As we've been here discussing these words, people on Twitter have been putting them to use against Ann Romney:
http://twitchy.com/2012/04/12/new-tone-alert-libs-attack-ann-romney-as-cunt-bitch-whore/
WARNING: these tweets are harsh.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: milomorris on April 13, 2012, 11:14:28 pm ---"Dick" might not seem as horrible as the "c-word" by society at large, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have the same impact on individual men as the "c-word" has on individual women. Moreover, if using "bitch," the "c-word," etc. is demeaning to all women, the same goes for "prick," "dick," etc. for all men.
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Here's why I would dispute that: I hear individual men call other men "dick" all the time. I can't even remember when I last heard a woman call another woman the "c-word." Can't say it's never happened, but it's not a common occurrence.
Sorry, I know it's nice to feel just as victimized as the people in the opposite camp, but it doesn't always work that way. I'll grant you supposed "victim" status in regard to race and sexual orientation, but you'll have to give the same to me when it come to gender.
--- Quote ---So the next time I'm at my favorite bar up here in rural Pennsylvania (which won't be until next month), I can call a 300 lb. biker "cracker" to his face, and he'll just laugh it off?? I don't think so. I think I'd be picking my black ass up off the floor.
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How should I know, when I don't even know this guy? He may have any number of reasons to beat you up.
But I will tell you that few white people feel stung by "cracker." And on the small chance they did, I would absolutely guarantee you that they are working class or poor. Whereas class does not determine a black person's reaction to being called a racist slur by a white person. So in essence, "cracker" is a slur against class, not race.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 14, 2012, 12:35:18 am ---Here's why I would dispute that: I hear individual men call other men "dick" all the time. I can't even remember when I last heard a woman call another woman the "c-word." Can't say it's never happened, but it's not a common occurrence.
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I admit that women don't use the "c-word" on each other as often as they use "bitch," but they certainly do use it.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 14, 2012, 12:35:18 am ---Sorry, I know it's nice to feel just as victimized as the people in the opposite camp, but it doesn't always work that way. I'll grant you supposed "victim" status in regard to race and sexual orientation, but you'll have to give the same to me when it come to gender.
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I guess we'll have to let this one be.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 14, 2012, 12:35:18 am ---But I will tell you that few white people feel stung by "cracker." And on the small chance they did, I would absolutely guarantee you that they are working class or poor. Whereas class does not determine a black person's reaction to being called a racist slur by a white person. So in essence, "cracker" is a slur against class, not race.
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When black people use "cracker" it has nothing to do with class. That would be "redneck."
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