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Free Fall - Freier Fall
morrobay:
I apologize if my comment sounded defensive. Vincent and I were talking a few pages back about 2 other scenes we both agreed were similar to Brokeback.
When Marc is trying to clean the paint out of the carpet and sits back against the wall, is like the alley scene, when Ennis breaks down. And in the locker room when Limpinski beats him up - it's a little like the fight scene when Ennis gets beat up in front of the bar, after Alma tells him she knows the truth.
mariska:
Hi nancy, you sounded a little defensive ;), but don't apologize because you are right: free fall is totally different and stands on his own. I will post on this later, takes me some time to translate in understandable english..
fritzkep:
Quite correct. It's just that having seen BBM so many times and FF only once, the similarities really stand out!
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 10, 2014, 06:02:27 pm ---Hi Mariska,
thank you so much for explaining the deleted scenes for me. I found all 6, but they have Russian subtitles!! So your explanations really helped.
you're so right about the scene in the bowling alley. I could hear Marc say "Engel", so I knew when they started talking about him, and then he just quietly fell apart. :'(
I put the link for the 6 deleted scenes with Russian subs below anyway.
http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733
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Thanks for posting these! Two of them I had not seen and Mariska, Thanks for the English translations! Cheers, V.
mariska:
--- Quote from: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 06:47:03 pm --- He's TORN with his family responsibilities. He cannot abandon his new born baby and his son's mother - "we didn't raise you like this.." It's a commitment he's cemented once Bettina became pregnant and his son was born. If the pregnancy and then baby were not part of the story, it would have been simpler for Marc and Bettina to go separate ways with no strings, no commitments for at least the next 18 years. The desire to be parts of your child's life is overwhelming for most. But then again, this conflict is central to the story. V
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Exactly. This conflict is central to the story. And to my opinion that's the biggest difference with BBM. There are similarities, but only superficially. As I’ve experienced BBM, the homophobia is central, the reason why the love between the 2 guys was impossible. In freier fall, the homophobic environment and Marc's inner confusion about his feelings for another man play a role but are not the essence of the story. If Kay had been another woman, the conflict would be the same (partially).
Think of Marc’s words to Kay: I’ve become a father. How can I leave Bettina and the baby?
That’s his conflict.
I don’t understand why FF is called “the German BBM”, I really think these are two very diffent movies.
I read an interesting review. Here’s part of it:
“”Even more inappropriate was the the unhappy ending. Brokeback Mountain's unhappy ending was credible and authentic because the movie took place in the 1950s. This one doesn't.
We've had decades of gay movies that almost always end badly. One or both characters are murdered, or die of AIDS, or chose to live a lie. If the filmmaker's intention here was to avoid a cliché, then they got it all backwards. The happy ending is a cliché in straight movies. In gay movies, it's still a revolutionary act. It's a bold, political assertion that yes, true happiness can be found in same-sex relationships.
If there was a pro-gay message to the movie, the ending undermined it completely. If it wasn't for the nudity and the fairly explicit scenes of gay sex, the usual suspects would be recommending this movie as a must-see moral tale of how the "homosexual lifestyle" ruins families and leads to self-destruction.”
Of course, not everyone likes the movie.
But I wonder why this person thinks the ending is inappropriate? The movie is realistic (as far as the conflict situation concerns) and the end is realistic. How can this movie have a happy end? “Bye bye Bettina and newborn son, I’m going to live happily ever after with another love?”. In a situation like this there’s always loss and drama. In reviews like these I totally miss the empathy with Bettina and even with Marc as husband/father.
All I wrote doesn’t hold me back from wanting a part two with hopefully a new start for Kay and Marc. After all the end of the movie was not that bad. Marc was free and seemed to have accepted himself. If this would be a real life situation it’s not onthinkable he would go after Kay
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