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Free Fall - Freier Fall
morrobay:
Not very clear, but this is the only one I can find of the kiss
morrobay:
another new one, I've not seen this one before
morrobay:
--- Quote from: gattaca on May 15, 2014, 10:18:13 pm ---
The heart and mind often do not agree and that was Marc's case.
It is possible once one allows it to be. Cheers, V.
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Two beautifully worded sentiments, really lovely.
morrobay:
--- Quote from: gattaca on May 16, 2014, 11:14:54 am ---I rewatched - you are correct, Marc does issue a slight "nod" but it's not a strong affirmative yes... it could have been just a normal body movement - can play either way. I did not notice that until your post. Gregor's realization does not come until after the "Jealous" comment.. V.
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It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it. I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.
So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time? If there was a part 2, what would you like to see? How would you like to see it played out?
Mariska - you, too, If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
mariska:
--- Quote from: gattaca on May 15, 2014, 09:50:59 pm ---
We know from the roadside chase where Kay forces Marc off the road and confronts him, Marc rages "I am not gay. Got it?" while punching Kay in full denial. He also reinforces his sense of responsibility in this sequence with "I am a father now... Shall I just abandon them?" This "not gay" is reinforced again during his locker room fight / encounter with Gregor, Marc never says he's gay, nor does he openly say / admit he had a relationship with Kay. Watch it carefully. He asks Gregor if he is Jealous.. after Gregor implies Marc and Kay "had something between you two..." Yes, Marc kissed Gregor to clearly provoke him but nothing more... Marc grew a set.. Then when we see Marc next he's is in the club alone where he does a casual pickup, but realizes he cannot follow thru with casual sex with a stranger - not Kay. Like Ennis's relationship with only Jack, Marc only appears attracted to Kay enough to have sex - no one else. There's a big difference internally between accepting and saying "I am gay" and engaging someone implying there was a "something between you two.." That's why I think Marc will not admit to being "gay" aka very similar to Ennis.. V.
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The roadside chase....I know he denies being gay, denies loving Kay (only an affair) but he also said: I can't abandon Bettina and the baby (like you said). In an earlier post I wrote my opinion about this. At that time there was no other option for him than stay with Bettina and his newborn child, which is understandable. As I wrote before, I think this was his biggest conflict. So, what else could he do than deny, to himself and to Kay. He wants to believe his feelings for Kay were temporary, something that would never happen again, to make a new start with Bettina and baby.
But these are just my thoughts about this.
The scene with Gregor: I understand he was provoking Gregor, but I can't see the word “jealous” as anything else than a confirmation and not only standing up for Kay’s rights. Marc could have stand up for Kay’s rights without giving the impression that he had something going on with Kay.
Something in that scene gave me the feeling that something changed in Marc. Since the car chase incident, a few thing happened (his relationship with Bettina didn’t work anymore, the pain he felt when Kay left, in the gay bar he discovered that just-a-guy didn’t replace Kay). I think he faced just 1 fact: that Kay was more than just an affair and Marc was in pain because of Kay during the Gregor scene. Maybe Marc wanted to make something up for Kay by admitting their relation or maybe he felt the need to show his feelings he was ashamed of before.
I agree with you that this is something else than admitting he’s gay or start a real relationship with another man. But I still think at certain moment he will make the choice of his heart.
Ennis and Jack loved each other for a lifetime. So why not Marc and Kay?
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